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#16    Merc14

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:36 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 30 October 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

His attendance at a Black Liberation Theology church would make him a believer in that, not an advocate as he's said not a whit about killing off whitey etc.
Which may actually be worse - if they are beliefs he genuinely holds.

True, poor choice of words on my part.  Thanks for the  correction.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:43 PM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 30 October 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

Really, you think this is racial.  I will take an atheist over a believer anyday.  Theology is for who ever make a stance. Or don`t. Get religion out of my face.  Do you think religion needs a part in politics.

You are the one that brought up religion, not me and for the record, I consider myself agnostic.  I haven't seen Romney overtly push religion either way but I do know the evangelicals have endorsed Romney which is interesting because a they consider mormonism a cult.  The only reason I know this is my best bud, an atheist, was raised by evangelicals and he bet me they would never endorxse Romney.  I won the beer.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:30 PM

View PostChasingtherabbit, on 30 October 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

This just shows how you think.
You do realize that in my OP there was absolutely no mention of religion.   Silver Thong asked if America was ready for a mormon Prez and I replied I'd take a mormon over a BLT any day.  Now, in what way does that show how I think?

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:30 PM

Off topic.... But speaking of Atheists and Agnostics... I find it funny when told by everyday people that they are an "agnostic atheist", because atheism is the rejection of any deity, while agnosticism is the expression of doubt of there being a deity. These are mutually exclusive. You can't beleive that there is no god, or gods, and yet have doubts that gods are real. You have to be one or the other, if.... you are not a Believer.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:34 PM

View PostMerc14, on 30 October 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

You are the one that brought up religion, not me and for the record, I consider myself agnostic.  I haven't seen Romney overtly push religion either way but I do know the evangelicals have endorsed Romney which is interesting because a they consider mormonism a cult.  The only reason I know this is my best bud, an atheist, was raised by evangelicals and he bet me they would never endorxse Romney.  I won the beer.
I agree religion should not be an issue in This election.

I'm a Protestant, and I consider Mormonism to not be Christian. I consider it to be as different from Christianity as Hinduism, Scientology and Paganism are. I really don't care though it Romney is a Mormon, or a Muslim, or a Hindu, or a Buddist... as long as he shifts the country to the Right a little more and champions more concervative legislation and actions. (And I don't consider starting wars to be Concervative.)

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:10 PM

If the dems lose big it will be because they are less likely to fall in line and automatically vote for their party's candidate than republicans are. I know many conservatives here in TX who don't like Romney at all and don't believe he'll change things for the better, but will vote for him anyway simply because he's a republican. Dems are more easily disillusioned to the point of not voting, and Obama has failed to do many of the things he said he would do. At least some of that "failure" is due to obstruction from the right, which also feeds the disillusion by highlighting how ridiculous our two party system is. The US won't start to change for the better until people understand that the vote for President is the maybe LEAST important vote they can cast. As long as the (D)s and ®s dominate the vast majority of our government, we will continue to be screwed because they are two sides of the same wooden nickel. You're voting to pick the hood ornament on a vehicle that's out of control.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:55 PM

View PostMysticStrummer, on 30 October 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

If the dems lose big it will be because they are less likely to fall in line and automatically vote for their party's candidate than republicans are.

Yeah, this would be the only reason the dems lose big.  Nothing to do with $6T in additional debt, neverending unemployment above 8%, gas prices doubled, failed foreign policy etc.  No, it is mostly because dems are free thinkeers, unlike robot republicans.  

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I know many conservatives here in TX who don't like Romney at all and don't believe he'll change things for the better, but will vote for him anyway simply because he's a republican.

Yeah, democrats never hold their nose and vote anyways, they are far to intelligent for that lowly behavior, except for the millions of Hillary lovers that held their nose and just voted for Obama in '08 after the party screwed their gal and gave the nomination to Barry.  

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Dems are more easily disillusioned to the point of not voting, and Obama has failed to do many of the things he said he would do. At least some of that "failure" is due to obstruction from the right, which also feeds the disillusion by highlighting how ridiculous our two party system is.

As opposed to what?  Ridiculous why?  Obstruction from the right is what the two party system is designed to do and thank the founders for it.  If someone hadn't put their ffoot on the brakes we'd be in far more trouble than we are now.  Regardless, Obama got the vast majority of his objectives passed, the fact that they are destructive and dismal failures has nothing to do with republicans.

View PostMysticStrummer, on 30 October 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

The US won't start to change for the better until people understand that the vote for President is the maybe LEAST important vote they can cast. As long as the (D)s and ®s dominate the vast majority of our government, we will continue to be screwed because they are two sides of the same wooden nickel. You're voting to pick the hood ornament on a vehicle that's out of control.

Well, don't vote for president then and thanks.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:14 PM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 30 October 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

Is the US ready for a Morman prez.  I doubt it. however lets ignore that fact.
That's what alot of people said about a black president 4 years ago.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:22 PM

View PostChasingtherabbit, on 30 October 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

I don't think Mormonism is a cult or even a type of cult. It won't be a reason why I vote or don't vote for someone. Neither will be their race, ethnicity, gender, or anything else of that nature.

As far as the rest of your spiel, I am sure you believe it, I don't.

To be fair, from an anthropological perspective, ALL religions are defined as cults as they are organizations for the conduct of ritual, magical, or other religious observances.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:34 PM

View Postand then, on 30 October 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

as a group we feel that Mormonism is a type of cult.  

I just found this amusing. Poof! You're no longer a cult!

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The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association this week removed Mormonism from its list of religious cults, the Charlotte Observer reports. Mormons consider themselves Christians, though not all of their beliefs align with mainstream Christian doctrinehttp://www.cbsnews.c...s-list-of-cults


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:44 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 30 October 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

I just found this amusing. Poof! You're no longer a cult!

Ah, but there is movement everywhere, the Mormons just took Coke off their index 'cause Romney drinks it.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:50 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 30 October 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

Ah, but there is movement everywhere, the Mormons just took Coke off their index 'cause Romney drinks it.

It amazing how fast a religion can change to suit its own needs.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:53 PM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 30 October 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

Is the US ready for a Morman prez.  I doubt it. however lets ignore that fact.

Might as well, as we elected a anti-colonialist socialist (with a hint of communist yearnings),which we ignored last time.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:16 PM

View PostMerc14, on 30 October 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

As opposed to what?  Ridiculous why?  Obstruction from the right is what the two party system is designed to do and thank the founders for it.  If someone hadn't put their ffoot on the brakes we'd be in far more trouble than we are now.  Regardless, Obama got the vast majority of his objectives passed, the fact that they are destructive and dismal failures has nothing to do with republicans.
I have to agree. Many Keynesians say that we should have spent Twice as much... 12 Trillion. And then things would be Fine.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:29 PM

View PostMysticStrummer, on 30 October 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

If the dems lose big it will be because they are less likely to fall in line and automatically vote for their party's candidate than republicans are.
I think that is a myth. Everyone everywhere is just as likely to be disillusioned as anyone else. Look at those links from earlier in the thread that discuss how the public has started leaning right and how the Right is more enthusiastic about the election. It is people that are disillusioned who are less likely to fall in line, not Rs or Ds.

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I know many conservatives here in TX who don't like Romney at all and don't believe he'll change things for the better, but will vote for him anyway simply because he's a republican.
And there are many examples here on UM of people who voted Obama last time who are simply not going to vote this time. I also know many Dems here in Oregon who don't read about the candidates, but simply vote Dem for every position. They don't care if the candidate is blue, orange or green. They don't care if they have previous experience, or even education. They only see that D on the voting card and choose that one. It is not a Republican or Texan localized thing.

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Dems are more easily disillusioned to the point of not voting, and Obama has failed to do many of the things he said he would do.
I think that is another exaggeration/myth. If it were true, there would be less and less Democrats with each election. If it were true, they would give up on many of their "be nice to people" programs that are a waste of money or spent on those who don't deserve the money.

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At least some of that "failure" is due to obstruction from the right, which also feeds the disillusion by highlighting how ridiculous our two party system is.
That is another myth. Multi-party governments, like Canada, the UK, Greece.... Belgium. Often have their governments actually COLLAPSE under the pressure of force alliances and horrendous deal making to get majorities. Look at Belgium... They had so many partys and so much differences between them, that they failed to form a proper government for over 4 years. No effective government for 4 YEARS. Is that what you want for the US. Not just obstructionism, but a collapse of the government?

http://en.wikipedia....olitical_crisis

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