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Sleep Disorder Makes People See 'Demons'

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#46    SpiritWriter

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

The reason I feel there are paranormal reasons for SP / demons etc.. as apposed to just constructs to your mind / dreaming etc is because (for me) when I was having these problems poltregeist activity was also present. This is activity shared with more than just myself and affected my house, not just my dreams. Plus I saw the demons while awake and other things while awake on other occasions..  I do think it not unattached to our minds though because if that were the case how could it infiltrate our dreams and SP when it does happen. And like i said it caused nightmares for me... Its all quite interesting IMO.

I also think it is significant to the experiencer as a natural occurance at the time of its happening. Of course it will be thought about and analyzed but some things in life I believe are for us to take at face value. I think a lot of people try a million and one ways to undescribe what they've experienced...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:51 PM

View PostSpiritWriter, on 05 April 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

The reason I feel there are paranormal reasons for SP / demons etc.. as apposed to just constructs to your mind / dreaming etc is because (for me) when I was having these problems poltregeist activity was also present. This is activity shared with more than just myself and affected my house, not just my dreams. Plus I saw the demons while awake and other things while awake on other occasions..  I do think it not unattached to our minds though because if that were the case how could it infiltrate our dreams and SP when it does happen. And like i said it caused nightmares for me... Its all quite interesting IMO.

I also think it is significant to the experiencer as a natural occurance at the time of its happening. Of course it will be thought about and analyzed but some things in life I believe are for us to take at face value. I think a lot of people try a million and one ways to undescribe what they've experienced...

True.

However, on the other hand, the rational explanation is often more simple- for instance saying 'it's ghosts' gives the illusion of being the simple explanation, when that actually requires a whole giant yet illusive structure to reality that isn't straight forward at all.

I don't personally think ghosts exist, at least not in the popular way they are thought about, although there may be some other genuine weirdness that to us appears as ghosts. In a strange way 'demons' is a more interesting proposition to me, in that I'm intrigued by the idea of what other forms 'life' could take, if you boil it down to self propagating/maintaining patterns that manifest in reality. And, whether such hypothetical 'lifeforms' could occupy the exact same spaces and even utilize the same matter as us in some lateral sense.
In fact, in some ways... I'd almost kinda expect it.

I still think most of these sleep effects are more likely to be a thing of the brain (Firstly, if there's one point you'd expect to have these kind of effects, it'd be the point where you totally alter your perception of reality and brain functions, and switch off your motor functions: aka going to sleep. Secondly- It's hard to imagine what these hypothetical entities would be getting out of going around waking people up to give 'em a scare at night. Seems a bit of a waste of time. I'm sure even demons have better things to do).

An interesting subject nonetheless.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:00 PM

I think that the question should be is why when awakening into SP, one may have the feeling of something malevolent being around. why is it not something more pleasurable...it is all fine and well that we can give the experience a name.."you had midnight paralysis accompanied with hallucinations.." while still not understanding at to the where is the sensation rooted?...is it all just a figment of one's own imagination..or perhaps what one is having is taken place on a more subtle lower vibration, which in most systems of belief attribute most such instances to lower vibration yet just as real beings...given we barely know anything about consciousness and it's interpretation of what we consider to be reality..and given that we only see an extremely limited spectrum of light..could it be that there is more going on around us than we would want to know...we already know that the human mind has filters so one does not become stark-raving mad from being bombarded by a more intricate and yet disturbing reality?


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:42 PM

View Postpitchp, on 02 April 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

yep it still doesn't explain the other phenomena of ghost/possessions/etc.

These things seem to occur frequently

http://www.dailymail...ssed-devil.html

If you do a thorough search, you will find a lot of these kind of stories, even videos of it occuring.

you might not believe in demons, but they believe in us

Let's see - the Daily Mail with a healthy dose of misogynistic Priestly **** shaming thrown in for good measure.

Is the Daily Mail your definition of "thorough"?

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostStill Waters, on 01 April 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

When filmmaker Carla MacKinnon started waking up several times a week unable to move, with the sense that a disturbing presence was in the room with her, she didn't call up her local ghost hunter. She got researching.

Now, that research is becoming a short film and multiplatform art project exploring the strange and spooky phenomenon of sleep paralysis. The film, supported by the Wellcome Trust and set to screen at the Royal College of Arts in London, will debut in May.

http://news.yahoo.co...-152946861.html

Very true.

Of course the "believers" are all going to come back and say, "yes, but mine is different."

Uh, no it's not.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:18 PM

When I was a teenager, I had this multiple times, to the point that I didnt sleep in my room for the whole summer as it happened quite often and was chilling. How I resolved it? I STARTED SLEEPING ON MY STOMACH AND IT NEVER EVER EVER HAPPENS THEN. The most terrifying? Well they all were but one particular one - maybe this is where "old hag" came from, is when I heard "a familiar sound" and this is a common trait, I heard lamp clicks, or casual soothing "callings" like if it were my mom or anything that wouldnt seem peculiar - almost like a trick. Upon hearing a familiar noise, that is when I would open my eyes and see that no physical being was there and I would be unable to move and feel a SUCTION FEELING FROM MY FEET (AS IF MY INNARDS WERE SEEPING OUT). It felt like it was a race with time to MOVE vs being sucked out from my body - LOL - Best way to discribe it. In reference to "old hag", the most terrifying time aside from the other common traits I just listed was a black sillouette of an old woman over me. Everytime it happened I was sleeping on my back. Strange thing is, you know it is an old woman even though its just a black shape. After that most terrifying experience while paralysis occurred and I tried to scream and franticly said my prayers I only fall asleep on my back by accident and it happens here and there over a decade (like twice) but never as terrifying as that summer where I had multiple and was just beginning. Again, it never happens when I sleep on my stomach.





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