Going Nuclear

[Ogbin]

Iran leaders are once again calling for the destruction of Israel as the November 24th deadline approaches.

From the article: A new document by Iran's supreme leader calling for the elimination of Israel shows that world powers must not rush into a deal on the country's nuclear program despite an upcoming deadline, Israel's Prime Minister said Monday.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/world/meast/iran-annihilate-israel/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

It's obvious that Iran has bad intentions towards Israel. Why is Iran allowed to continue with its Nuclear program?

[tipotep]

Iran leaders are once again calling for the destruction of Israel as the November 24th deadline approaches.

From the article: A new document by Iran's supreme leader calling for the elimination of Israel shows that world powers must not rush into a deal on the country's nuclear program despite an upcoming deadline, Israel's Prime Minister said Monday.

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t2

It's obvious that Iran has bad intentions towards Israel. Why is Iran allowed to continue with its Nuclear program?

I'm hearing you but you have to look at it this way, what can be done to stop it, we wont can't even stop IS from making trouble over there.

I do agree that it's bad situation and Iran's intentions is anyones guess.

[+OverSword]

What should we do? Nuke them? The sad thing is as the world spins more and more out of control and more countries get nuclear weapons sooner or later someone will use them. My guess is Pakistan or India. After that it's hard to say if that will make it stop or spin further out of control.

[+Hammerclaw]

We can't stop it and it's debatable whether we have a right to. Three third world countries have already gone nuclear. In Pakistan, Islam already has the bomb. The policy of containment has failed. The farcical invasion of Iraq due to the West's sorry misevaluation of intelligence reports, has forever quelled any further notions of glorified snipe hunts for WMDs. Iran will delay and equivocate until they can present the World with a fait accompli and then what is to be done? Create a new pariah state status for nascent nuclear powers? We are simply going to have to face the fact that pandora's box has been irreparably breached, and the bloody genie is out of it's bottle. We'll have to come to terms with this new world order and some of us--however reluctant--must face the fact that in this brave new world order, the only way to deter aggression from an enemy armed with nuclear weapons, is to be armed with them, also.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Hammerclaw

[+DieChecker]

I think that if Iran ever got a nuke, they would be crazy to use it. It would only doom them to invasion and international oversight into every action their leaders might perform, if indeed their nation wasn't just parted out to neighboring states and the nation of Iran dissolved.

Yet, I also think that Iran is actually run by the clerics, who could just be fundamentalist enough to think Allah would shield them with his hand so there would be no reprisals. I can see these guys thinking they can get away with it. Just as the Taliban thought they could get away with allowing Al'Quida to have training camps within their nation.

[+and-then]

Iran is a country of about 80 million. Israel about 7 million. Until Khomeini Iran and Israel were actually allies. The change? Islam decreed it. In every war Israel has fought they have either held or taken even more, land. When someone tries to nuke them or overrun them with conventional forces they will use their nukes. By all accounts it nearly happened in '73. Yet the world looks the other way and seems to assume that somehow, magically, Israelis will just give up, pack up and leave the land. If the peoples of the world are really that stupid and mean then maybe we need to get fried.

[acidhead]

Iran is a country of about 80 million. Israel about 7 million. Until Khomeini Iran and Israel were actually allies. The change? Islam decreed it. In every war Israel has fought they have either held or taken even more, land. When someone tries to nuke them or overrun them with conventional forces they will use their nukes. By all accounts it nearly happened in '73. Yet the world looks the other way and seems to assume that somehow, magically, Israelis will just give up, pack up and leave the land. If the peoples of the world are really that stupid and mean then maybe we need to get fried.

"Maybe we need to get fried."

Tell me more of these grand illusions of death and destruction.

[+and-then]

"Maybe we need to get fried."

Tell me more of these grand illusions of death and destruction.

I volunteer YOU to be the first! Your a funny guy Assid. Yes, I'll repeat it - If the world is willing to indulge in such stupid behavior out of hatred then the world deserves what's coming. What's wrong, a little squeamish? You can't look at the world and tell what the logical end game is going to be at some point? That's why you need to ridicule or try to shout down people like myself, it gives you some kind of comfort that things are gonna be fine, no problems here but the religious nuts.

[Ogbin]

I do agree that it's bad situation and Iran's intentions is anyones guess.

Anyone's guess? I think it's pretty obvious what Iran's supreme leader is intending to do, destroy Israel at the first chance given.

[Ogbin]

What should we do? Nuke them?

Of course not, but we should be doing everything in our power to stop them from acquiring a nuke, not helping them.

[Ogbin]

We can't stop it and it's debatable whether we have a right to.

We may or may not be able to stop it, but we sure as heck can do everything in our power to slow it down and take control of the situation the best we can.

[Ogbin]

I think that if Iran ever got a nuke, they would be crazy to use it.

I think so. They have been calling for the destruction of Israel for decades now. They're not just going to change their minds and want to be friends if and when they aquire a nuke.

Yet, I also think that Iran is actually run by the clerics, who could just be fundamentalist enough to think Allah would shield them with his hand so there would be no reprisals.

I don't think it matters to them whether or not Allah shields them. Their god cannot come untill Israel has been destroyed. Remember Ahmadinejad and all his ramblings about the destruction of Israel? He was saying exactly what the clerics believe and wish to happen. Nothing has changed and nothing will. They have only on goal in mind.. To destroy Israel.

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Edited November 13, 2014 by Ogbin

[stevewinn]

so far out of the countries which have acquired Nuclear weapons only one as ever used them, but its clear, if you have nuclear weapons you wont be invaded. I believe if Iran became a nuclear member then we would see an arms race in the middle east. i think that is the biggest danger. I don't think Iran as a nuclear power would actually use them, its all about the power and status such weapons give you.

We live in interesting times, The USA's time as the sole superpower is coming to an end. It was short, and burnt out fast but what a fantastic bright light it was. and its not just the USA which face changes, its the whole United Nations. the permanent members, Such as the United Kingdom and France. as the rise of Economies such as China, and the rest of the BRIC nations overtake ours, these countries will start asking questions. they'll want permanent seats and vetoes at the UN. and whose going to deny them when they'll be economically stronger than the old members, the status quo is coming to a end, as the generations pass by and those in positions of power, of influence and experience of the 20th century events die, we are surely on a path of repeating the same mistakes, and the term History repeating itself will never be more apt.

The rise of China is going to be testing. how will the US handle this shift in global power? Russia allied to China is already resurgent, Russia as announced its going to start its long range air patrols - Arctic - North Atlantic, western Atlantic, eastern Pacific and the waters of the Caribbean basin and the Gulf of Mexico. Its already negotiating to establish military bases in a number of foreign countries, including Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.

The Western world is now going to face problems of their own making, for years Western nations have been cutting their defence budgets, thinking once in NATO, were safe under the umbrella of the USA. so defence as been an afterthought. as money is spent on vain electioneering promises to get elected. turning our economies into fictional socialist utopia's, a model of failure.

well the chickens are coming home to roost and were going to witness these changes in our life time. and we ain't going to come out as the winners.

[Ogbin]

When someone tries to nuke them or overrun them with conventional forces they will use their nukes. By all accounts it nearly happened in '73.

Israel will not allow another Holocaust, even if this mean "Mutually Assured Destruction".

Yet the world looks the other way and seems to assume that somehow, magically, Israelis will just give up, pack up and leave the land.

I pretty sure the world knows the only way Israel is going to go away is through their destruction. That's why we are seeing attitudes changing and hostilities getting worse as time goes on. War is coming, it's coming soon. It's inevitable. Good news is, Israel will prevail.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

Why should anyone be allowed to have a nuclear program?

[+Hammerclaw]

I think it's time for a U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East without having to take into consideration it's effects on Israel. Instead of some kind of asset, we drag the relationship into every negotiation like a rotting albatross around our necks, fouling the discussion. Israel is all grown up and nuclear powered, now. The Zionists can take care of themselves. Israel is not a U.S. Protectorate.

[RavenHawk]

We wouldn’t be dealing with this stuff if we had stayed in Iraq and had real leadership in Washington. Hell, we wouldn’t be dealing with this if Carter had supported the Shah. But what is done is done. But why are people paralyzed when it comes to keeping Iran from getting the bomb? Is it “oh, they’ll get it anyway” or is it because people are afraid to call Islam a spade because that’s just not PC – there are millions of Muslins who aren’t that way. Well, there are enough. If a Muslim wants to go against the tenets of their faith and reject the hatred then let them step forward and do more than paying lip service. But in the meantime, we need to reestablish the Axis of Evil and attack it with every means at our disposal. But if this nation continues to distract itself by squandering our treasury on Gruberized Obamacare and maintaining a porous border, this world is going to continue to spiral in. Then all the socialized programs won’t even matter. Whether you like it or not, the one thing keeping this world stable is a strong, exceptional America. We have lost so much in the last 6 years. Is it too late?

[+and-then]

We wouldn't be dealing with this stuff if we had stayed in Iraq and had real leadership in Washington. Hell, we wouldn't be dealing with this if Carter had supported the Shah. But what is done is done. But why are people paralyzed when it comes to keeping Iran from getting the bomb? Is it "oh, they'll get it anyway" or is it because people are afraid to call Islam a spade because that's just not PC – there are millions of Muslins who aren't that way. Well, there are enough. If a Muslim wants to go against the tenets of their faith and reject the hatred then let them step forward and do more than paying lip service. But in the meantime, we need to reestablish the Axis of Evil and attack it with every means at our disposal. But if this nation continues to distract itself by squandering our treasury on Gruberized Obamacare and maintaining a porous border, this world is going to continue to spiral in. Then all the socialized programs won't even matter. Whether you like it or not, the one thing keeping this world stable is a strong, exceptional America. We have lost so much in the last 6 years. Is it too late?

I believe it IS too late. Not because we do not possess the means but because we are led by a man with no honor or integrity - and he was elected comfortably...TWICE. Iran will assemble their bomb when they choose to do so. Then the world will have to deal with a very new reality. Nations tend to do the right thing after everything else fails. WWI and WWII prove this. The problem is that the next global war will be the last because of the weapons that will be used. Putin already seems intent on using nuclear threats - care to guess if he'll back it up? If someone thinks he's serious it can be just as lethal as if he IS serious. Miscalculation.

[kartikg]

Seems nuclear science isn't nuclear science (rocket science) anymore. Maybe sooner African nations will start having some. Nobody wants to be bullied by a few nations possessing them. Every nation worth it's salt will try to acquire weapons to defend or attack itself. Btw why doesn't the west let go off it's ego and call Iran for a nice chat . Isolating Iran and burdening it with sanctions is only going to make it worse and killing their scientist is int a crime? Is it not the same thing what Isis is doing? I don't see any uproar over Iranian scientists being killed. Same thing with north Korea , sanctions aren't helping either you call them to table nice and polite letting go of your ego or nuke them.

[Mr.United_Nations]

However Iran never says nuclear weapons

"It says the "proper way of eliminating Israel" is for "all the original people of Palestine including Muslims, Christians and Jews wherever they are, whether inside Palestine, in refugee camps in other countries or just anywhere else, take part in a public and organized referendum." The "Jewish immigrants who have been persuaded into emigration to Palestine do not have the right to take part," he adds.

"Iran insists it only wants nuclear energy. And Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, while calling for the elimination of Israel, said he opposes "a massacre of the Jewish people in this region."

[lightly]

Nuclear weapons make no sense. Irradiated real estate is of no value. No vegetable, or Faith or Creed or Ideology, can take root in it •

You stormed the castle to take the castle..... you nuke the castle to ... .. prove a point?

Or should we actually discuss the rational of "limited nuclear exchange?" Or the policy of MAD as a means of keeping peace!? !? Admit it everybody.. NUKES ARE NUTS.

let's have a parade!*!* .. i'll make signs. lol

Edited November 16, 2014 by lightly

[+DieChecker]

I'd agree the current world would be better off without them. Certainly more nations gaining nuclear weapon technology is in No Ones best interest.

[Likely Guy]

Nuclear weapons make no sense. Irradiated real estate is of no value. No vegetable, or Faith or Creed or Ideology, can take root in it •

You stormed the castle to take the castle..... you nuke the castle to ... .. prove a point?

Yes nukes are nuts. Keep in mind the "scorched earth" policy. The Soviets used it in WW2. Burn every building, crop and factory, kill all the livestock that you can't remove from your own homeland when it's being invaded, that way the successful invaders conquer nothing.

[praetorian-legio XIII]

Doesn't the possibility exist that Iran, although not of their own making, already has nuclear weapons bought or traded for oil from Russia . Or bought from Pakistan or even India for that matter.

[Mr.United_Nations]

Doesn't the possibility exist that Iran, although not of their own making, already has nuclear weapons bought or traded for oil from Russia . Or bought from Pakistan or even India for that matter.

Pakistan? really?