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#1    cladking

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 04:55 AM

People have been asking for pictures for a log time and I've finally managed to do it!!!

This first one is the pyramid as ir was first built.  After this stage the top of the pyramid
enplaced and they then finished the 4th step along with the cladding.  They worked their
way all the way down in this manner.


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The first thing was to build the "mehet weret" on the north side.  This held the "upper eye
of horus" through which the water sprayed from below.  The water was diverted into the
"mn-canal" with the use of "shm-sceptres".  This took it to the "lake of the jackal" which was
the queens chamber and became smaller and smaller as the first step approached 70'.  The
water traveled through a weir known as the "ba-sceptre" to the "i33.t-sceptre" that filled the
counterweight under the watchful eye of the "ferryman".


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This is the "dnddndr-boat" or the head of the "ox of heaven" and the rope are his "sinews".
This drawing is actually obsolete and doesn't include newer information.



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It should look a lot more like this;

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The counterweight was the rear of the "bull of heaven" whose scientific name was "h3n-boat"
or henu boat.  It looked like the dorsal carapice of a grasshopper from the side and was over-
seen by Isis.


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I'll be happy to discuss the ample physical and metaphysical evidence for all this.  The ancients
used a science founded upon observation and logic and language was the metaphysics.  The science
has been found in the "words of the gods" which really should be translated as the "words of nature".
It won't be any problem to draw lots more pictures if anyone's having trouble seeing this.

Men fear the pyramid, time fears man.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 06:33 AM

I am confused.

Are you offering a riddle as the explanation for pyramid construction?


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 06:58 AM

This is cool.

Not everything is explained

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 03:19 PM

View Posttaniwha, on 23 November 2013 - 06:33 AM, said:

I am confused.

Are you offering a riddle as the explanation for pyramid construction?

No.  I don't believe it's a riddle any longer.

It was the "natural phenomena" (we mistranslate as "gods") which built the great pyramids.  Atum
was the first natural phenomenon which was a cold water geyser which erupted at zep tepi which
was a mythological time to the ancients.  Atum erupted from the ben ben on the primeval mound
which were both the mineral accumulation in the water.

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Horus was the "natural phenomenon" of the "land of rainbows" and atum erupted through
his eye and sprayed into the air creating the phenomena up upward (shu) and downward
(tefnut).  It was shu and tefnut who did much of the construction of the pyramid by affecting
the stones (upward) and the water in the counterweight (downward).

Ancient people were animals and used an animal language.  They were highly scientific
using observation and logic.  It was their natural language which was the metaphysics of
their science.  We don't understand that language and mistake if for religion because the
formatting and the way it expresses meaning is wholly alien to the way we speak.

The language changed about 2000 BC because the ancient metaphysics became overly
complicated.  This change is vaguely remembered as the story of the Tower of Babel.  The
new language speakers didn't understand the ancient language and the two aren't really
translatable one to another so all of this has been forgotten.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 07:47 PM

The ancient language of ancestors had power that unlocked 'natural' or 'godly' energy?  Used to manipulate matter and construct pyramids?  Have I misunderstood?


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 08:57 PM

View Postcladking, on 23 November 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:


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Ancient people were animals and used an animal language.  They were highly scientific
using observation and logic.  It was their natural language which was the metaphysics of
their science.  We don't understand that language and mistake if for religion because the
formatting and the way it expresses meaning is wholly alien to the way we speak.

The language changed about 2000 BC because the ancient metaphysics became overly
complicated.  This change is vaguely remembered as the story of the Tower of Babel.  The
new language speakers didn't understand the ancient language and the two aren't really
translatable one to another so all of this has been forgotten.

Which goes against the evidence as anatomically modern humans (AMH) go back to c.200,000 BP. And behaviourly modern humans go back to c.100,000 BP. Both of which pre-date your story of ancient people being animals and using an animal language. And since the texts of Merrer, found at Wadi al-Jarf and dating to c.2550 BC, can be read and understood then we know that the language didn't change in any significant way. Prior to that we could also read and understand many of the inscriptions on tomb walls, contemporary to the time of Khufu. They also show that the language didn't change in the way you claim it did. Your mention of the Tower of Babel is also meaningless as the structure that's predominantly associated with the story, the Etemenanki Ziggurat, post-dates your 2000 BC claim.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:25 PM

View Posttaniwha, on 23 November 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

The ancient language of ancestors had power that unlocked 'natural' or 'godly' energy?  Used to manipulate matter and construct pyramids?  Have I misunderstood?

You've got it about right from the ancient perspective but all wrong from our perspective.

Our science uses an artificial means of learning about reality which is euclidean geometry
and the definitions associated with it and the physical world.  We use observation and ex-
periment to learn how nature works.  It's a perfectly valid means and it provides us great
creature comfort because experiment can often be transferred almost directly to technology
and new tools and equipment.  It is a highly effect metaphysics from the standpoint of tech-
nology and rapidity of learning. Consumer demand drives this growth even faster as sellers
try to keep up.

This is wholly dissimilar to the ancient metaphysics.  Remember that when complicated
language first arose it replaced some sort of very very basic animal language.  The people
simply became capable of expanding on the existing language and did so.  But this language
was distinct from modern language in every way other than vocabulary.  It used the same
words but they were ordered differently and many of them are mistranslated today because
we aren't aware that meaning was expressed differently.  As this language developed they
learned a lot about nature by observation. Of course they noticed some observations weren't
repeatable so they had to develop rules about the confirmation of existing theory by the means
of further observation. We call this philosophy but in many real ways this wasn't truly philosophy
at all because it was the basis of science and because of the way language developed.  All
scientific learning was added to language.  This affected grammar, philosophy and all aspects
of total human knowledge (thot).  They broke nature into parts for study exactly as we break
it into optics, mechanics, cosmology, etc. But they called their parts names like atum (geyser),
nehebkau (hydraulic cycle), Kehbehwet (water pressure), or shu (inertia).  Each natural phenom-
non was assigned human characteristics based on its nature.  Human measurements were ex-
trapolated to nature.  Man was thought of as an animal and his characteristics became the basis
of their language.

In other words their understanding of nature was language and this language was by definition
the metaphysics of their science.  They said the "gods" built the pyramids and they were exactly
and completely correct. The proper word isn't "god" but "neter" which meant something like "nat-
ural phenomenon".  It was shu (upward)(inertia) who literally lifted the stones to build the pyramid.  He
accomplished this by means of tefnut (downward)(weight) who pulled down the counterweight.

This language became extraordinarily complex as human knowledge advanced and it got very
difficult for the average man to speak properly.  The language was simply reorginized into the
exact same system we use today.  The old language has always been misunderstood and mis-
interpreted because its rules are very obscure to modern language speakers.  The human race
had 40,000 years of scientific advancement until 2000 BC and since we've gone through one dark
ages after another.  We've had 400 years of modern science and this is what has made cracking
the ancient language possible.

Men fear the pyramid, time fears man.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:35 PM

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Remember that when complicated language first arose it replaced some sort of very very basic animal language.

Which is entirely irrelevant to the timeframe in question, namely the 26th century BC. And the language itself was already developing by 3100 BC, some 500 years prior. As to your pronouncements on how the language developed, since you've never actually shown an understanding of the language in question nor of the culture behind it then there's no reason to take your claims seriously.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:46 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 23 November 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Which goes against the evidence as anatomically modern humans (AMH) go back to c.200,000 BP. And behaviourly modern humans go back to c.100,000 BP. Both of which pre-date your story of ancient people being animals and using an animal language. And since the texts of Merrer, found at Wadi al-Jarf and dating to c.2550 BC, can be read and understood then we know that the language didn't change in any significant way. Prior to that we could also read and understand many of the inscriptions on tomb walls, contemporary to the time of Khufu. They also show that the language didn't change in the way you claim it did. Your mention of the Tower of Babel is also meaningless as the structure that's predominantly associated with the story, the Etemenanki Ziggurat, post-dates your 2000 BC claim.


I don't claim to know anything about anthropology.  It's not really important to how they
built the pyramids whether it took 40,000 years to develop the science or 100,000.  I can
always be wrong about any given "fact" whatsoever.

I believe anything that appears to make sebnse fronm before 2000 BC is due to the fact
that translators are trying to understand it and do the best they can in putting it into ev-
eryday language or because they are just lists, or because naratives are a little affected
by language change than most writing or a combination of these.  Once we know how
the ancient language worked we'll probably need to go back and revisit all of these trans-
lations.

The Tower of Babel story appears to be a transalation of the event from the ancient lan-
guage into the modern "confused language".  As such it may well be part allegory or
taken out of its proper context.  I believe that almost all people from ancient times were
known primarily by their city of origin so it's entirely possible that it was the designer of
the tower or the new language who was from Babel rather than the tower itself.  I always
suggest 2000 BC because this is when a few things that look like modern language begin
appearing but even the ancient language appears to have used some of our phraseology
as a sort of determinative.  The change is described as being very sudden in the story
and this seems logical that it would catch on very quickly but it might have been far more
gradual to those who lived through it or through part of it. I'm not married to the story but
it does appear that at some time the language did, in fact, change and ancient science
was lost nearly in its entirety.  The metaphysics was preserved as well as it could be as
religion and the technology survived being passed down father to son but the science itself
was lost.

The Pyramid Texts implies that their version of The Handbook Of Chemistry and Physics
which they called "The book of Thot" (book of human knowledge) was preserved under
the northwest corner of G1 and is being protected by the missing (second) Sphinx known
as "Mafdet". In other words there is a chance that the ancient science can be found.  This
is not of critical importance, perhaps, because with modern science and computers it pro-
bably won't take more than half a century to redevelop the science from scratch.

Men fear the pyramid, time fears man.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:59 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 23 November 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

Which is entirely irrelevant to the timeframe in question, namely the 26th century BC. And the language itself was already developing by 3100 BC, some 500 years prior. As to your pronouncements on how the language developed, since you've never actually shown an understanding of the language in question nor of the culture behind it then there's no reason to take your claims seriously.

These are just words.  Words have no meaning outside their referents and their validity.  People
who share the beliefs that cause these words don't know basic things like how the pyramids were
built and don't even know the way heat is absorbed and emitted from any great pyramid.  Beliefs
have failed to explain any of the mysteries.

While I could be wrong the fact remains that much of what the builders actually said makes per-
fect sense and does answer the questions like how exactly the pyramid was built by boat opera-
tors, weigher reckoners, canal operators, and overseers of the metal shop.  Their words explain
how a handful of men, women, and children can assist the gods to make the "instrument of ascen-
sion" on which the king arose to become the horizon.

1405a. To say: The earth is high under the sky by (means of) thine arms, Tefnut.

It is downward that makes the earth high.

If these are just words than there can be no explanation for why they are consistent, coherent, and
logical.  It is very illogical to believe that religious incantation and magic might somehow just happen
to make perfect sense.  It is not logical to believe in debunked ramps when the gravimetric scan
shows beyond reasonable doubt that the stones were pulled up one step at a time.  It is not logical
to just assume a theory which has been unable to make the simplest predictions must be right.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:12 PM

View Postcladking, on 23 November 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

You've got it about right from the ancient perspective but all wrong from our perspective.

In other words their understanding of nature was language and this language was by definition
the metaphysics of their science.  They said the "gods" built the pyramids and they were exactly
and completely correct. The proper word isn't "god" but "neter" which meant something like "nat-
ural phenomenon".  It was shu (upward)(inertia) who literally lifted the stones to build the pyramid.  He
accomplished this by means of tefnut (downward)(weight) who pulled down the counterweight.

So the pyramids were constructed by entirely 'natural' means, or perhaps from our modern viewpoint 'supernatural' means.  'Neter' which were harnessed through the power of incantation by the ancients in their ancient tongue?  I hope Im keeping up.


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:14 PM

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The Tower of Babel story appears to be a transalation of the event from the ancient lan-
guage into the modern "confused language".

Wrong, the Tower of Babel story is a religious based story of an alleged event that happened in Sumer/Mesopotamia and has nothing to do with the Egyptian language. The Sumerian language of which predates Egyptian by about 100 years, meaning c.3200 BC. Linguists can read and understand it and the regions other languages/dialects such as Akkadian, Babylonian, etc. As far as Babylon itself is concerned, since it's relevant to the story, it didn't exist as a significant place until after 2000 BC. So you're being anachronistic, even with that. And the Babylonian language itself is a variant of Akkadian, so once again there was not "sudden change".

The Pyramid Texts, particularly the earliest of which is found in the tomb of Unas, are specifically addressed to Unas. So not only are you being anachronistic in your attempt to reinterpret it as referring to the construction of the GP but you are also fabricating what or to whom it's in reference to when it specifically states said intent.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:21 PM

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While I could be wrong the fact remains that much of what the builders actually said...

While it's obvious to pretty much anyone other than you the people from the time of Unas were not the same exact people who built the Great Pyramids. Nor are the religious texts inscribed in Unas' tomb addressed to a time that was c.150 years in the past. They were specifically relevant to the time and addressed to Unas. Which means you're still reinterpreting them as being something they're not.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:29 PM

View Posttaniwha, on 23 November 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

So the pyramids were constructed by entirely 'natural' means, or perhaps from our modern viewpoint 'supernatural' means.  'Neter' which were harnessed through the power of incantation by the ancients in their ancient tongue?  I hope Im keeping up.

No, but that's OK since this is not a simple concept.

What I'm trying to say is that they used a different science and that science had a different vocabulary.

The ancients understood gravity nearly the same way we do but from a different perspective.  To them
things fell and this was called "tefnut"; everything that went shu must come tefnut.  Or everything that
goes up must come down.  They defined tefnut as the effect on something.  This is very very similar to
modern scientific definition of "weight".  "Weight" is the force between an object and the thing attracting
it.  They understood force as what we translate as "arrows".  These are like "vectors" in a vector equa-
tion and it was "sekhmet" who had seven arrows which did the work.

It's better to think of this as simply a different vocabulary since there was nothing really "supernatural".
Their science just used different terms though in many cases these terms are extremely similar to modern
scientific terms. Work, power, time, weight, and inertia are the terms most similar to our own.  But other
terms like "pressure" were somewhat different.  We measure barometric pressure about the same "inches
of water" where they measured it in "fingers of water" but this was the only way they knew to measure
pressure.

Perhaps my phraseology is part of the reason people aren't following my arguments but it's difficult to
put these two disparate systems into words which are logical and comprehensible.  English itself is a
little problem since it is a confused language but to state things precisely and accurately from the ancient
language gets a little tricky.

It might be best if I just say it's a vocabulary difference even though this is not precisely true.

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:38 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 23 November 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

While it's obvious to pretty much anyone other than you the people from the time of Unas were not the same exact people who built the Great Pyramids. Nor are the religious texts inscribed in Unas' tomb addressed to a time that was c.150 years in the past. They were specifically relevant to the time and addressed to Unas. Which means you're still reinterpreting them as being something they're not.

Yes!!! This is exactly much of the reason the translators didn't understand the PT the first time
they found it.  If they had a hundred year older version when the water still flowed they'd have
probably have caught on right away.  But the PT changed over the years up until our version
arose and atum was written out and osiris put in his place.  This greatly complicated the ability
to see that osiris was effectively a dead geyser.

This is seen all through the PT that osiris simply usurps atum's place. It's the change in the PT
that masked the original meaning; the intent of the original authors.  The original authors always
meant the water that came through the eye of horus when they spoke of the inundation and usually
meant the bubbles in the water when they spoe of "imperishable stars".  The "winding watercourse"
was always the canals in the sky and on the land used to build pyramids.  Later Egyptians gradu-
ally lost sight and lost understanding of the ancient texts which were not translatable.  They knew
their ancestors were wise and sophisticated but didn't understand the ancient writing.

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