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#16    Little Fish

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:18 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 09 December 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

I didn't think you were in favour of big Government. You surprise me ;)

I smell a conspiracy theorist :clap:

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do you realise that has been the plan all along. don't forget you will have to hand over your own home grown food too. wasn't it kissenger that said 40 years ago that if you control the food, you control the people. do you want to be controlled cornelius? or is it you want to control others? just asking...

furthermore, the UN is a private organisation owned and run by "capitalists"

Edited by Little Fish, 09 December 2012 - 07:21 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:00 PM

your money or your life

...they used to call that robbery, now they call it governance.

Edited by Little Fish, 09 December 2012 - 08:00 PM.


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

Little Fish - have I advocated handing over control to the UN ? Do I think that a UN led OWG is at all likely ?

The chances of that little wet dream fantasy ever happening in a world short of oil are precisely zero.

The problem with you Little Fish is that your so wrapped up in you wet dream CT fantasies that your incapable of objectively looking at reality.
At least your starting to be a bit honest about your real motivations :tu:

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 09 December 2012 - 08:11 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:09 PM

The point of all this is that until you admit you have a problem you are incapable of looking for an answer.
We all need to start to own up to our complicity in the mess we are in.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:14 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 09 December 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

The chances of that little wet dream fantasy ever happening in a world short of oil are precisely zero.
ah, but then we should hand over oil to the UN as well, and they will distribute it fairly to the compliant nations.

...anything else you think we might be short of?


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:17 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 09 December 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

ah, but then we should hand over oil to the UN as well, and they will distribute it fairly to the compliant nations.

...anything else you think we might be short of?
You have a lot of faith in the UN :lol:
I forgot (for a second), your a OWG freak :)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

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The point of all this is that until you admit you have a problem you are incapable of looking for an answer.
that's generally true. but you are the one stating I have a problem, just as others have done throughout the centuries on their sandwich boards, they were incorrect, why are you the messiah?


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 08:23 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 09 December 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

that's generally true. but you are the one stating I have a problem, just as others have done throughout the centuries on their sandwich boards, they were incorrect, why are you the messiah?
Because I have a body of scientific evidence to support the claim.
No faith required - just evidence.

(not going to discuss your problem).

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:15 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 09 December 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

Because I have a body of scientific evidence to support the claim.
that is what the supporters of eugenics said too, not so long ago.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:15 AM

Just as an aside, but there is a Dr. Mark Jaccard (I believe that is his name, its been a while since i read his wor), he has some good papers out there and he basically disproves peak oil as myth (that in reality, while we need to be dramatically cutting back our CO2 production, we are not in danger of running out of oil for centuries - global climate change aside). They're worth reading.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:04 AM

What we should develop is some sort of particle or molecule that we could slowly release into controlled greenhouse environments, or even possibly the environment itself, which would make the plants and trees healthier by a process like photosynthesis.  The plants could absorb this helpful molecule into their life-systems, becoming more nutritious and providing and producing more energy.  This added energy could feed more people and animals overall, preventing any overpopulation problems, and actually making people healthier.  Maybe they're already doing this in modern greenhouses, I'm not sure.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:38 AM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 10 December 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

Just as an aside, but there is a Dr. Mark Jaccard (I believe that is his name, its been a while since i read his wor), he has some good papers out there and he basically disproves peak oil as myth (that in reality, while we need to be dramatically cutting back our CO2 production, we are not in danger of running out of oil for centuries - global climate change aside). They're worth reading.

Peak oil says we have half the oil left. It just the hard to get oil which costs more to get out. Coupled to steadily rising demand that is a formula for an energy crisis. This is why tat sands with its ridiculously low COP is now economically viable.

Half the oil left - energy crisis - not contradictory.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:40 AM

View PostNumber Fingers, on 10 December 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:

What we should develop is some sort of particle or molecule that we could slowly release into controlled greenhouse environments, or even possibly the environment itself, which would make the plants and trees healthier by a process like photosynthesis.  The plants could absorb this helpful molecule into their life-systems, becoming more nutritious and providing and producing more energy.  This added energy could feed more people and animals overall, preventing any overpopulation problems, and actually making people healthier.  Maybe they're already doing this in modern greenhouses, I'm not sure.

Funny man - you should read the science which says why that isn't how it works out. Increasing CO2 reduces overall plant productivity because it creates other stresses.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:34 AM

The "Green" movement was picked up a commodity by corporations selling "Green" products to consumers to make money out of environmentalist causes, but the question remains if capitalism and the environment are compatiable. The world needs to solve its problems in food supply, pollution and the ability to maintain healthy economic growth to prevent both poverty and ecological devastation. Private enterprise must promise to take part in environmental ethics the same way national governments and individuals themselves have to cut down on pollution and environmental damage. And global overpopulation is a ticking "time-bomb" when there's not enough food, water and essential amenities to go around in developing countries.

Agribusiness wants to make a profit anyway possible, like Monsanto who is under scrutiny for their own management of agriculture are accused of worsening the world food shortage by GMO seeds cannot regenerate new sprouts as time goes by leaving millions of square acres sterilized soil unable to grow plants again. Why can a major global agribusiness corporation Monsanto to purposefully grow lower-quality GMO food (fruits, grains and vegetables) meant to go bad? To raise food prices or to exercise power over less fortunate economies of the third world? Monsanto is the stuff of conspiracy theories on what's wrecking the planet's environment in addition to abundance in food supplies.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:35 AM

View PostLittle Fish, on 09 December 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

that is what the supporters of eugenics said too, not so long ago.
The scientific analysis of why population was a problem was correct and all the predictions which follow from it come to pass.

Mixing it with racism and advocating unethical solutions was the mistake they made. That has nothing to do with the evidence !

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