WolfBane Posted June 20, 2012 #1 Share Posted June 20, 2012 wasn't sure if anyone had seen this yet.......or if im even posting it in the right section lol if true what kind of effect do you guys think this will have? http://www.wired.com...t-higgs-rumors/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paracelse Posted June 21, 2012 #2 Share Posted June 21, 2012 wasn't sure if anyone had seen this yet.......or if im even posting it in the right section lol if true what kind of effect do you guys think this will have? http://www.wired.com...t-higgs-rumors/ Methink I will still have breakfast lunch and diner in that order even if the HB is found... but on the other end it might give a serious indigestion to some religious fundies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted June 21, 2012 #3 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Maybe they finaly found the "missing piece", if so, I wonder where it will lead? Could mean some marvelous bit of technology that we at this time cant even imagine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G0diva Posted June 21, 2012 #4 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So what created the Higgs Boson particle...oh wait lets build a bigger collider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Amerika Posted June 21, 2012 #5 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) I've always found it interesting that some people cant just be excited about new discoveries that may push us further along to learning about our place in the universe without bashing religion. Why would a single book printed on this planet have every answer to the mysteries of the Universe? I believe in a creator, not sure at what level i believe the creator intervened in terms of making man or if we are just a happenstance of some other thing that was being made. There are countless possibilities out there, why just pick one and constantly bash at it? I cant prove that a creator exists and i cant prove one doesnt. But logic would dictate that everything came from something. I love this discovery, i love all scientific discoveries. I seek the truth and this is just one more step to getting to that truth. But it doesnt prove that god doesnt exist, its just one more step in learning. Try to accept this for what it is. Not what you want it to be. Live and let live. Edited June 21, 2012 by Capt Amerika 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Fluffs Posted June 21, 2012 #6 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Yay, time machines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Render Posted June 21, 2012 #7 Share Posted June 21, 2012 What kind of effect it will have? Well, put simply. Scientists believe the Higgs is responsible for giving all matter the property of mass. It's the last remaining piece of confirmation of The Standard Model. This would also prove that scientists were on the right track all along, this goes back decades. It's amazing. We'll be able to find out more about Mass itself ... imagine that we could control mass ... the possibilities are endless!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRIPTIC CHAMELEON Posted June 21, 2012 #8 Share Posted June 21, 2012 After all the time and money spent to do these experiments will our lives be better for it.? As I can think of other ways to use all that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csspwns Posted June 22, 2012 #9 Share Posted June 22, 2012 if it is found wat would happen to the religious people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Der Box Skeptisch Posted June 22, 2012 #10 Share Posted June 22, 2012 After all the time and money spent to do these experiments will our lives be better for it.? As I can think of other ways to use all that money. Maybe we should just stick to banging rocks together and never move forward. Think of all the money saved that way. What a waste of existence to be so blindly tied down to colored paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varelse Posted June 22, 2012 #11 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) if it is found wat would happen to the religious people? The religious leaders who fear real jobs will find a way to explain it. The catholic church has already said it believes god may have created life on other planets. I can see the headline on Fox news alert now: "God's Lego Blocks Found!" Edited June 22, 2012 by Framling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranrod Posted June 22, 2012 #12 Share Posted June 22, 2012 After all the time and money spent to do these experiments will our lives be better for it.? As I can think of other ways to use all that money. ...says the man on his computer built on very advanced science, as is the internet his message travels on...After all the time and money spent raising this guy to adulthood, will our lives be better for it? As I can think of other ways to use all that money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddoxHQ Posted June 22, 2012 #13 Share Posted June 22, 2012 The 'particle' itself is too 'huge' to be understood by our techniques. Its big like radio waves are big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Render Posted June 22, 2012 #14 Share Posted June 22, 2012 After all the time and money spent to do these experiments will our lives be better for it.? As I can think of other ways to use all that money. Yeah, this is real stupid research. Completing the theory of the Standard Model. Yanno, the model for which we can thank things like Wi-fi. And getting knowledge of something like "mass" .. that'll be a real waste of money. Let's all just walk away from the Standard Model and assume we were right al along, no need to find the missing puzzle while we can. That's what science is all about ey. if it is found wat would happen to the religious people? nothing, because it has nothing to do with religion. The god-particle is a poorly chosen term. It refers to the godlike quality of the particle because it would be responsible for giving ALL matter the property of mass. And since it's the missing piece of the standard model puzzle it means a lot. But it has NOTHING to do with god or religion...nothing nothing nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted June 22, 2012 #15 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Methink I will still have breakfast lunch and diner in that order even if the HB is found... but on the other end it might give a serious indigestion to some religious fundies. How would this give indigestion to religious people? If we can figure out (exactly) how the universe was created do you take that to mean the universe wasn't really created? Very shallow thing to take away from this potentially monumental discovery. Edited June 22, 2012 by OverSword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranrod Posted June 23, 2012 #16 Share Posted June 23, 2012 wasn't sure if anyone had seen this yet.......or if im even posting it in the right section lol if true what kind of effect do you guys think this will have? http://www.wired.com...t-higgs-rumors/ From what I know, It doesn't seem like they got exactly what was predicted. They got "interesting" or "encouraging" effects that could be explained by something like the Higgs boson. For those than aren't Phsyics savvy, you can't "see" a higgs boson. They are seeing if something similar explains experiment results. Either we got our theory about the Higgs boson slightly off, they are seeing something else, or some unknown factor is skewing the results. Constructing a new predictive model around experimental results could take some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varelse Posted June 23, 2012 #17 Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) If we can figure out (exactly) how the universe was created do you take that to mean the universe wasn't really created? When did we figure that out exactly? Aren't we still putting the most important pieces of this puzzle together? eta Genesis will need to be rewritten. "And on the night before God created the earth, he created the big bang." Edited June 23, 2012 by Framling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepulchrave Posted June 23, 2012 #18 Share Posted June 23, 2012 eta Genesis will need to be rewritten. "And on the night before God created the earth, he created the big bang." If they were going to rewrite the Bible, I would recommend starting with 1 Kings 7:23 where it alludes to the circumference of a particular circle being 30 cubits and the diameter being 10 cubits (suggesting that pi = 3). Or, I suppose, one could interpret the Bible as an allegorical collection of morality tales and the history of a particular tribe of people, and not as literal and exact truth about the Universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varelse Posted June 23, 2012 #19 Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) If they were going to rewrite the Bible, I would recommend starting with 1 Kings 7:23 where it alludes to the circumference of a particular circle being 30 cubits and the diameter being 10 cubits (suggesting that pi = 3). Or, I suppose, one could interpret the Bible as an allegorical collection of morality tales and the history of a particular tribe of people, and not as literal and exact truth about the Universe. True. Archimedes computed pi to three decimles hundreds of years before jesus was born. The egyptions figured it at 3.16 over 1500 years before he was supossedly born. Why didn't god know pi? Damnit. Now I'm hungry. Edited June 23, 2012 by Framling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranrod Posted June 23, 2012 #20 Share Posted June 23, 2012 True. Archimedes computed pi to three decimles hundreds of years before jesus was born. The egyptions figured it at 3.16 over 1500 years before he was supossedly born. Why didn't god know pi? Damnit. Now I'm hungry. From the Christian point of view, you can't change the words of the bible so you have to change its interpretation or the concept of reality around it. "And God said, Let there be light", obviously meant the big bang. See? The bible is infallible. Sure, by that point, the heavens and earth had already been created, but obviously that referred to the underlying structure of the universe, not literally the rock that is this planet. The heavens could have been created since that's intangible. Now according to Kings, pi is 3, but that is obviously referring to a structure that our puny human brains cannot comprehend - it shows how amazing God is.... [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escher7 Posted June 23, 2012 #21 Share Posted June 23, 2012 The idea that Higgs will give us all the answers is of course silly. Will it tell us where the soul is? Or what is on the other side of the universe? Or if we are just an garden experiment of a species living in a higher plane? Sorry. Like the discovery of the atom, there will always be some place else to look or go. Of course we have to keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varelse Posted June 23, 2012 #22 Share Posted June 23, 2012 From the Christian point of view, you can't change the words of the bible so you have to change its interpretation or the concept of reality around it. "And God said, Let there be light", obviously meant the big bang. See? The bible is infallible. Sure, by that point, the heavens and earth had already been created, but obviously that referred to the underlying structure of the universe, not literally the rock that is this planet. The heavens could have been created since that's intangible. Now according to Kings, pi is 3, but that is obviously referring to a structure that our puny human brains cannot comprehend - it shows how amazing God is.... [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Render Posted June 24, 2012 #23 Share Posted June 24, 2012 are ppl seriously still discussing religion in a thread that has nothing to do with any form of religion? Weak. nothing, because it has nothing to do with religion. The god-particle is a poorly chosen term. It refers to the godlike quality of the particle because it would be responsible for giving ALL matter the property of mass. And since it's the missing piece of the standard model puzzle it means a lot. But it has NOTHING to do with god or religion...nothing nothing nothing. But it has NOTHING to do with god or religion...nothing nothing nothing. nothing nothing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libstaK Posted June 24, 2012 #24 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I agree with Render, this is not about religion it is about the material universe and mass - it's about a step forward in science, I say let's just applaud that without confusing the issue with conjecture about "God" and "Creation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizno Posted June 24, 2012 #25 Share Posted June 24, 2012 #20 Posted by escher7 on 23 June, 2012, 13:32 "The idea that Higgs will give us all the answers is of course silly." I must have missed something. When did anybody say that finding evidence of the existence of the Higgs Boson would "give us all the answers"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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