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Has the Higgs Boson finally been discovered?


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#16    ranrod

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 12:26 AM

View PostWolfBane, on 20 June 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

wasn't sure if anyone had seen this yet.......or if im even posting it in the right section lol

if true what kind of effect do you guys think this will have?

http://www.wired.com...t-higgs-rumors/
From what I know, It doesn't seem like they got exactly what was predicted.  They got "interesting" or "encouraging" effects that could be explained by something like the Higgs boson.  For those than aren't Phsyics savvy, you can't "see" a higgs boson.  They are seeing if something similar explains experiment results.  Either we got our theory about the Higgs boson slightly off, they are seeing something else, or some unknown factor is skewing the results.  Constructing a new predictive model around experimental results could take some time.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 01:33 AM

View PostOverSword, on 22 June 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

  If we can figure out (exactly) how the universe was created do you take that to mean the universe wasn't really created?  

When did we figure that out exactly? Aren't we still putting the most important pieces of this puzzle together?


eta Genesis will need to be rewritten. "And on the night before God created the earth, he created the big bang."

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 03:10 AM

View PostFramling, on 23 June 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

eta Genesis will need to be rewritten. "And on the night before God created the earth, he created the big bang."

If they were going to rewrite the Bible, I would recommend starting with 1 Kings 7:23 where it alludes to the circumference of a particular circle being 30 cubits and the diameter being 10 cubits (suggesting that pi = 3).

Or, I suppose, one could interpret the Bible as an allegorical collection of morality tales and the history of a particular tribe of people, and not as literal and exact truth about the Universe.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 03:48 AM

View Postsepulchrave, on 23 June 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

If they were going to rewrite the Bible, I would recommend starting with 1 Kings 7:23 where it alludes to the circumference of a particular circle being 30 cubits and the diameter being 10 cubits (suggesting that pi = 3).

Or, I suppose, one could interpret the Bible as an allegorical collection of morality tales and the history of a particular tribe of people, and not as literal and exact truth about the Universe.

True. Archimedes computed pi to three decimles hundreds of years before jesus was born. The egyptions figured it at 3.16 over 1500 years before he was supossedly born.

Why didn't god know pi?

Damnit. Now I'm hungry.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 06:42 AM

View PostFramling, on 23 June 2012 - 03:48 AM, said:

True. Archimedes computed pi to three decimles hundreds of years before jesus was born. The egyptions figured it at 3.16 over 1500 years before he was supossedly born.

Why didn't god know pi?

Damnit. Now I'm hungry.
From the Christian point of view, you can't change the words of the bible so you have to change its interpretation or the concept of reality around it.  "And God said, Let there be light", obviously meant the big bang.  See? The bible is infallible.  Sure, by that point, the heavens and earth had already been created, but obviously that referred to the underlying structure of the universe, not literally the rock that is this planet.  The heavens could have been created since that's intangible.  Now according to Kings, pi is 3, but that is obviously referring to a structure that our puny human brains cannot comprehend - it shows how amazing God is.... [/sarcasm]


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 01:32 PM

The idea that Higgs will give us all the answers is of course silly. Will it tell us where the soul is? Or what is on the other side of the universe? Or if we are just an garden experiment of a species living in a higher plane? Sorry. Like the discovery of the atom, there will always be some place else to look or go. Of course we have to keep looking.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 06:55 PM

View Postranrod, on 23 June 2012 - 06:42 AM, said:

From the Christian point of view, you can't change the words of the bible so you have to change its interpretation or the concept of reality around it.  "And God said, Let there be light", obviously meant the big bang.  See? The bible is infallible.  Sure, by that point, the heavens and earth had already been created, but obviously that referred to the underlying structure of the universe, not literally the rock that is this planet.  The heavens could have been created since that's intangible.  Now according to Kings, pi is 3, but that is obviously referring to a structure that our puny human brains cannot comprehend - it shows how amazing God is.... [/sarcasm]



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Posted 24 June 2012 - 07:51 AM

are ppl seriously still discussing religion in a thread that has nothing to do with any form of religion?
Weak.

View PostRender, on 22 June 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

nothing, because it has nothing to do with religion.
The god-particle is a poorly chosen term. It refers to the godlike quality of the particle because it would be responsible for giving ALL matter the property of mass. And since it's the missing piece of the standard model puzzle it means a lot. But it has NOTHING to do with god or religion...nothing nothing nothing.

View PostRender, on 22 June 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

But it has NOTHING to do with god or religion...nothing nothing nothing.

View PostRender, on 22 June 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

nothing nothing nothing.



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Posted 24 June 2012 - 08:06 AM

I agree with Render, this is not about religion it is about the material universe and mass - it's about a step forward in science, I say let's just applaud that without confusing the issue with conjecture about "God" and "Creation".

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:35 PM

#20 Posted by escher7 on 23 June, 2012, 13:32
"The idea that Higgs will give us all the answers is of course silly."

I must have missed something. When did anybody say that finding evidence of the existence of the Higgs Boson would "give us all the answers"?


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:50 PM

View PostRender, on 22 June 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

The god-particle is a poorly chosen term. It refers to the godlike quality of the particle because it would be responsible for giving ALL matter the property of mass. And since it's the missing piece of the standard model puzzle it means a lot. But it has NOTHING to do with god or religion...nothing nothing nothing.

Leon Lederman, Director Emeritus of Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, called it the "goddamn particle" because it was so difficult to detect. His publisher changed it to the "god particle" to avoid offending people.
Of course the Higgs Boson has nothing to do with gods.

The universe is glorious beyond human comprehension.  Why add spirits and gods?  Just because we don't know how something happened doesn't mean that a god is needed to explain it.




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