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The religious GOD is a man-made idea


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#31    kikuchiyo

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 04:45 AM

Well of course god is man made, because if we wouldn't exist would there be a god to worship?

This does relate to the "if there is a tree that falls in the woods and there's no one to hear it does it make a sound?". Some people say "of course because of the ambiant air where there is air there is vibrasion therefore sound" but the only way to come up with this knowledge is with scientific proof of things like air and vibrasions. So the question is quite complex.
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For my part i believe that god exists in a "universal consiance" form. Not really a self creating being, as we created it and molded it as we gain a consiance. Something to make us think and more "coordonate".

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 05:26 AM

Your beliefs on God are really irrelvant to this thread. It's not about the existence of God, it's about someone claiming prophets from a multiltude of religions seeing a time traveller play CD-ROMs which even with the possibility of time travel, it's impossible. If time travel could be developed it would still be impossible to alter the past, or future in any way.


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Posted 02 July 2005 - 12:34 PM

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All that article proves is that that person believes Sinai was in the Sinai Peninsula (a possibility) rather than Saudi Arabia. It does not prove it did not exist.

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The link you gave is also only the opinion of those people who believe that Sinai was in Saudi Arabia (also only a possibility). This does not prove that it has been found.

My original statement stands.




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Posted 02 July 2005 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jul 2 2005, 03:56 PM)
...this thread. It's not about the existence of God, it's about someone claiming prophets from a multiltude of religions seeing a time traveller play CD-ROMs...

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The title of this thread is "The religious GOD is a man-made idea, So what was Moses reporting upon ?"
In post #1 quotes from historical records clearly show that my first statement is correct - The religious GOD is a man-made idea - with the dates and names of the people who put together this myth.
This shows that God does not exist. Thus this thread is about the existence of God. The evidence presented shows that the religious God as presented in the Bible does not exist.
Therefore the statement "this thread. It's not about the existence of God" is incorrect.

Post #2 presents the claims of an Australian researcher - with an invitation to read and examine the work for yourself.
His claims do concern ancient people viewing modern cd-roms with the associated evidence available from the website links given.



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Posted 03 July 2005 - 01:13 AM

You haven't proven anything. One persons idea that the mountain is somewhere else is not evidence against Saudi Arabia. However, Sinai, mecause of it's name and the fact that it is in between both Egypt and Saudi is quite likely. It's one or the other, not that it doesn't exist. Your statement does NOT stand.

Tw you have proven nothing and even your theory from an Athiest view is full of faults. You are trying to start a cult for your own financial gain.


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Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:01 AM

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Your beliefs on God are really irrelvant to this thread. It's not about the existence of God, it's about someone claiming prophets from a multiltude of religions seeing a time traveller play CD-ROMs which even with the possibility of time travel, it's impossible. If time travel could be developed it would still be impossible to alter the past, or future in any way.


First time travel is possible still in it's theorical stage but possible none the less. It was proven theoricly possible to travel forward in time, it is just harder to find a way backward. In fact the problem with time travel is the possibility of going back in time and altering our present. An alternative theory was born from this idea, the "alternate world" theory in whish every change in the past or current time will create an alternative world. It is very popular amonst scientist. Therefore we could ba living in an alternative reality from the "time traveler" point of view.

We would consider this normal and real as the time traveller would shape and modify the world to his liking. Maybe he was caught and therefore all religious incounter with god stoped and the rest where all popular divagation.

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My belief in a "commune consiance" does apply here as maybe it was this common consiance that lead people around for 40 years. They were all running away from the same opponent, all the same customs, religions and ideals, maybe it was so tightly built it lead to the creation of a common consiance. The mind is easily affected by the power of the group ( like mass allusinations, healings and other so called acts of god).

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:05 AM

That has been debunked. If and when time travel is possible it is impossible to alter time, either the past, future or present in any way. You would merely be a bystander equivalent to someone watching a movie. You can't change a movie when you're watching it now can you? You can pause it, rewind, fast forward, but the scenes always remain the same. So his entire theory is based on a fallacy.

Maybe you should read the 'Front Page News' section.


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Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:31 AM

That's just a model like the "string" model or the "cookie dough" model. It's a theory about a theory. So the original still stand. From what I have read from the bbc article it's a very shady model, the "kill your own father" example is so-so at best and it also doesn't really tackle the alternate world theory either.

It would be more of a dimension traveler then a time traveler case. "In other words, even if you take a trip back in time with the specific intention of killing your father, so long as you know he is happily sitting in his chair when you leave him in the present, you can be sure that something will prevent you from murdering him in the past. It is as if it has already happened." says the bbc article, what about the dimension where the crime is performed with success an he does die, in that dimension he will stop existing. If he was killed before your birth you will be erased too and the time you where in that dimension would make you appear as a foreign abstract object.

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:43 AM

Ok, whatever, believe what you want but this post is still self-advertising.


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Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:56 AM

That's what faith is all about: believing(in whatever).

I could make it long and pretencious but this is simple and direct.

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:59 AM

I can see this turning into a Heaven's Gate, Unarius, 'Red People' cult fast. Eh, if that's what you chose, go right ahead....


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Posted 03 July 2005 - 05:09 AM

Cults are very interesting as people joined willingly but then were manipulated to do other activities. To them it was normal even something they should do to gain something spiritual. Sacrifises ,like the cruxifiction in christinianity, are importent because it give a sense of pure devotion. As seen in kamikaze bombers or in the Jamestown sect.

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Really i didn't read any of Eddy P's post, i just read the title and posted. Then you came along.

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 06:46 AM

I may be wrong but it sounds like a bunch of BS to me just a way to sell your ideas and not very good ideas i may add, where did you get this mess from?

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