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Kids Poisoned by Medical Marijuana

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#31    Orcseeker

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:14 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 28 May 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:


How much TCH would say... a 40 pound 5 year old, get if they ate 5 brownies that were 20% marijuana... or about 10 onces?? Not sure what the percentages of marijuana in medical grade brownies is, but I'm assuming that if some kid ate a bunch of them really quick, that they would get sick. Is that a reasonable expectation?

None of the kids "smoked" the pot, they ate it. So we have to assume these are 2 to 7 year olds.



Isn't getting really high a symptom of being poisoned? Basically you're being chemically affected, which could be called poisoning even if it is temporary and non-life threatening.

Also, I think I've read that kids that ingest pot regularly have much lower IQ scores.

Bottom line.... Keep the pot away from the Kids.

After a bit of research. Imaging having brownies that were 20% oil. Because that is how THC in consumed through baked goods. An extraction process to extract the oil out which contains, not completely, THC.

In your standard 40g THC brownie slice. You would be ingesting usually anywhere between 40mg-120mg of THC. So 1%-3%. If anyone ingested a 20% brownie I imagine they would probably be in another galaxy by now. Though to even achieve such a result would require huge amounts of marijuana to produce one slice.

So I guess you could work it out from there. If I ate that many brownies very quick, just normal ones, I'd probably feel sick too.

Apparently it takes longer for the effects to kick in while eating than smoking. So it could have hit the kids and they didn't know what was happening to them.

A quick search on google defines a poison as a substance that can cause death or injury from consumption. It is a psychoactive substance, not a poison.

I don't think children should be taking mind altering substances during stages of life where they are undergoing a lot of brain development. Though I don't believe an IQ test is a proper measure of intelligence or that a child would necessarily lose intelligence directly from the consumption of marijuana.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:20 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 29 May 2013 - 01:13 AM, said:

The biggest side effect of smoking marijuana is passing out from laughing too hard... or possibly tripping over something because you think the cops are coming to get you.

I prefer pot smokers around me to anyone abusing cocaine, crack, crystal meth or any kind of amphetamine.  Amphetamine abusers ultimately become crazy and violent... I see it everyday and it's scary.

Nothing scary about a pot smoker relaxing on the couch with some Cheetos watching cartoons... unless they don't have a drink because they get thirsty. No driving though... don't want a stoner crashing into me and I don't want to hear, "I drive better when I'm stoned"... lol

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:24 AM

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I don't think children should be taking mind altering substances during stages of life where they are undergoing a lot of brain development. Though I don't believe an IQ test is a proper measure of intelligence or that a child would necessarily lose intelligence directly from the consumption of marijuana.

This is 100% why this should be an issue. There's no point in debating the "harmful" effects of the drug, (if anything we should be debating the OxyContin epidemic,) the real issue is giving psychoactive drugs to developing minds. THAT is harmful and unacceptable.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:28 AM

View PostDark_Grey, on 29 May 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

This is 100% why this should be an issue. There's no point in debating the "harmful" effects of the drug, (if anything we should be debating the OxyContin epidemic,) the real issue is giving psychoactive drugs to developing minds. THAT is harmful and unacceptable.

I couldn't agree more with that statement. :tu:


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:30 AM

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This is 100% why this should be an issue. There's no point in debating the "harmful" effects of the drug, (if anything we should be debating the OxyContin epidemic,) the real issue is giving psychoactive drugs to developing minds. THAT is harmful and unacceptable.

Agreed. It could open doors that should've stayed shut.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:31 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 29 May 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

After a bit of research. Imaging having brownies that were 20% oil. Because that is how THC in consumed through baked goods. An extraction process to extract the oil out which contains, not completely, THC.

In your standard 40g THC brownie slice. You would be ingesting usually anywhere between 40mg-120mg of THC. So 1%-3%. If anyone ingested a 20% brownie I imagine they would probably be in another galaxy by now. Though to even achieve such a result would require huge amounts of marijuana to produce one slice.

So I guess you could work it out from there. If I ate that many brownies very quick, just normal ones, I'd probably feel sick too.

Apparently it takes longer for the effects to kick in while eating than smoking. So it could have hit the kids and they didn't know what was happening to them.

A quick search on google defines a poison as a substance that can cause death or injury from consumption. It is a psychoactive substance, not a poison.

I don't think children should be taking mind altering substances during stages of life where they are undergoing a lot of brain development. Though I don't believe an IQ test is a proper measure of intelligence or that a child would necessarily lose intelligence directly from the consumption of marijuana.
I've got to agree that it should not be called poison. Though substances that paralyze are often refered to a poison, even if very temporary. But that may be a older use of the word. Today we probably would call that a drug, or paralyzing agent/substance.

Thanks for answering.

I do so hate pot, not for what it does, but for what it has done (helped do) to some friends and family. Including girls being raped, accidentally killing themselves and driving into roadside objects, then loosing their jobs, their Drivers Licence and getting a Felony. And then to help them feel better about their problems... smoking more pot.

The IQ study is somewhat suspect, but I do believe they did find a strong correlation between little kids being regularly exposed to airborne THC and lowered school/IQ scores.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:35 AM

View PostDark_Grey, on 29 May 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

This is 100% why this should be an issue. There's no point in debating the "harmful" effects of the drug, (if anything we should be debating the OxyContin epidemic,) the real issue is giving psychoactive drugs to developing minds. THAT is harmful and unacceptable.
True. My wife keeps all our medications and vitamins way up in a high cupboard. Even getting a couple of iron suppliments can do damage to a 2 year old. The people who left their brownies out for the kids to find are more to blame, because they are thinking that the brownies are harmless, when the same people would like not leave out needles full of insolin or handfuls of heart pills on a countertop.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:41 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 29 May 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:


I've got to agree that it should not be called poison. Though substances that paralyze are often refered to a poison, even if very temporary. But that may be a older use of the word. Today we probably would call that a drug, or paralyzing agent/substance.

Thanks for answering.

I do so hate pot, not for what it does, but for what it has done (helped do) to some friends and family. Including girls being raped, accidentally killing themselves and driving into roadside objects, then loosing their jobs, their Drivers Licence and getting a Felony. And then to help them feel better about their problems... smoking more pot.

The IQ study is somewhat suspect, but I do believe they did find a strong correlation between little kids being regularly exposed to airborne THC and lowered school/IQ scores.

You can "green out" which induces vomiting and such. Not sure what that is the result of however. Perhaps the lack of oxygen? But to my knowledge that is the only thing that could make you sick from at least smoking, to my knowledge, marijuana.

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I do believe marijuana can make people lethargic and unmotivated. Though that generally depends on the strain. I simply believe removing it from that subculture that involves crime would get rid of a lot of people from that scene or having to frequent that scene because of their habits.

In any case, moderation is key.

I'm not sure if second hand smoke is sufficient enough to have any effects.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:49 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 29 May 2013 - 01:41 AM, said:

I'm not sure if second hand smoke is sufficient enough to have any effects.

It totally is - ever heard of a "contact high"? lol

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:05 AM

View PostDark_Grey, on 29 May 2013 - 01:49 AM, said:



It totally is - ever heard of a "contact high"? lol

No, but I just looked it up then.

"The term is often incorrectly used to describe the high obtained by inhaling the smoke of other marijuana smokers." - from Wikipedia

From what I read it is completely psychological. As if you were hanging out drunk people and you, yourself started showing signs of intoxication.

Tbh I have never experienced it at all, around any intoxicicated group of people while sober.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:13 AM

View PostF3SS, on 29 May 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

I don't think he's being that bad. Or is this a side of Diechecker I haven't seen about to come out?
Diechecker is not being bad at all. I remember a few conversations where he was very solid in his stance due to personal experiences I believe. But in no way shape or form is this to imply anything is about to come out.
I might add also that I enjoy very much having discussions with diechecker. Heck in the ancient mysteries catagory I would have him as an ally any time any topic.
I just didn't want to delve too deep into his post.
Different experiences. Different approach and discussion type.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:12 AM

View PostAus Der Box Skeptisch, on 29 May 2013 - 02:13 AM, said:


Diechecker is not being bad at all. I remember a few conversations where he was very solid in his stance due to personal experiences I believe. But in no way shape or form is this to imply anything is about to come out.
I might add also that I enjoy very much having discussions with diechecker. Heck in the ancient mysteries catagory I would have him as an ally any time any topic.
I just didn't want to delve too deep into his post.
Different experiences. Different approach and discussion type.
Anyway I hope that cleared any misgivings. Diechecker is a good um poster, many a great conversations and hopefully many more to come.
Agreed. Cheers to DC. I wasn't really expecting anything crazy.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:41 AM

View Postshrooma, on 28 May 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

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'cept for one guy in india who was crushed to death when a 1.5ton bale of the finest charas fell on him, but I guess that's not what you meant....?
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Wow, never heard about that one! I have heard about people buying little baggies of the stuff, like grams and ounces, but tons? My goodness he must have been a hard core stoner to be buying bales of the stuff!

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:42 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 28 May 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

You wouldn't physically be capable of doing this is the thing. Even requiring a higher amount in a smaller timeframe would, if smoked, kill you from the lack of oxygen if anything (one of the ways they "proved" in order to illegalise marijuana due to killing of brain cells is after they basically engulfed them with THC smoke and they suffocated due to lack of oxygen, what happens when you suffocate? Your brain dies. Hence the dead brain cells. But it was ruled the THC was the cause of this.)

I did not know that! Is this why Pot is illegal, but alcohol legal? That seems strange?

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:46 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 28 May 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Also, I think I've read that kids that ingest pot regularly have much lower IQ scores.

Bottom line.... Keep the pot away from the Kids.


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