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Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories


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#31    Left-Field

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:27 PM

View Postflyingswan, on 05 May 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

When you actually get around to reading the piece, you'll find that the dichotomy isn't between trust and distrust in authority, but between distrust in authority and the scientific approach of going by the evidence.

That may be, but the paragraph quoted by Lilly was all I was addressing regarding the response I gave to what she said.

And the reason I gave my initial response without reading the article is because I don't need an article trying to tell me why it is I believe in certain conspiracies.

I felt it would be more worthwhile to all participating in this thread to listen to the reasoning given by individuals as to why they believe what they believe rather than use some article to provide a skewed view into the minds of everyone that believes in any particular conspiracy theory.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostFstop, on 05 May 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

I think that somewhere in between those who instinctively gravitate toward conspiracy theory belief and those who blindly follow whatever the mainstream media spits out are a group of people who look at ANY claim and evaluate it with regards to empiricism and what is actually the most likely explanation.

To me this seems like the most balanced approach.  The main trick here though is deciding on what gets to pass as "evidence".  This is where critical thinking skills really come into play.  It is my opinion that people on EITHER extreme - the blind masses who accept and the woo woos on the other side that embrace and adopt every theory that comes down the pike - are lacking in the ability to think critically and evaluate evidence objectively.

Well said. And I agree with you wholeheartedly.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:35 AM

View Postdarkmoonlady, on 05 May 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

I don't think the article addressed a good reason why some people love CT which is they want to feel they are aware of special knowledge. There is a certain mystique to thinking you know something all the rest of us "suckers" don't know, hence the name "sheeple" used to describe people who supposedly follow what they are told. I look at some of the more well know CT folks like Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura and the like, and for them it's given them an air of celebrity and in Venturas case a continued celebrity probably far past what he would have gotten as a former politician.

I've had a lot of discussions with people who believed in various CT and the one thing that I come back with is  quite a few have the same attitude. I usually ask them the same question, if everything you say is true, lets assume that it is for a minute, how does that knowledge change anything? Say we didn't land on the moon and it's a giant lie, but most people believe it. Given that all the chest beating, all the fist pounding and attempting to show people it isn't true, it doesn't really do much to sway those who believe (one way or the other). It's sort of like a religion, it's mostly based on the faith that the "facts" either side are correct. I felt that way about 9/11 truthers whether I believed their ideas or not the outcome (3000+ dead) was still sadly the same.

I've had one guy who was into the whole Rothschild banking/Bilderberg/NWO CT'er nearly go mental on me because I asked him if it's all true what are you doing about that has any effect? I said even if you remove all your money from banks and just rely on cash, in the end it's only your money, the system is still in place, the same people hold power. He became livid like I was implying that we SHOULD do nothing which wasn't what I was asking. If bringing to light conspiracies brought them down or cracked them open I could see his point but railing against something and doing it in a way (Alex Jones Rant as an example) that makes you the person relaying that info look kinda nutty isn't going to change anything either. I have often listened to different shows on Coast to Coast in the old days where calm, rational ex military recounted personal UFO experiences for example, now that I'm more liable to put some belief into simply because the messenger so to speak did it in a way that seemed sane. That special knowledge that people want to hold and sometimes lord over people with is a real turn off. It smacks of "I see it and you can't, aren't you dumb" and I think it is what gives CT a bad reputation. I don't disbelieve every conspiracy theory but if someone refuses to hear the other side, returns with retorts like "you're asleep, you're sheeple" how serious are you supposed to take them?
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:39 AM

View PostLeft-Field, on 05 May 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:



That may be, but the paragraph quoted by Lilly was all I was addressing regarding the response I gave to what she said.

And the reason I gave my initial response without reading the article is because I don't need an article trying to tell me why it is I believe in certain conspiracies.

I felt it would be more worthwhile to all participating in this thread to listen to the reasoning given by individuals as to why they believe what they believe rather than use some article to provide a skewed view into the minds of everyone that believes in any particular conspiracy theory.
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a conspiracy theory article conspiracy?!
where does it end.....??
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:47 AM

I usually apply abe lincoln's razor when it comes to conspiracy theories-
'you can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.'
(double-edged razor though it may be.....)

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:20 AM

View Postnothinglizx2, on 05 May 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

It's because they want you to believe it's all in your head.  It's another form of mind control.  As long as they can manipulate your thoughts one way or the other, they call the shots.
Yes, and those of us who work for the various disinformation agencies are quite good at what we do.  Whether you know it or not, whether you like it or not, we own your minds and are slowly turning you into good little worker bees.  We can be patient.  We have all the time in the world.  Literally.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:06 PM

This entire article was put together simply so the author could label the disbelief that humans cause global warming a hoax. Then later brings up the known quack and BS artist al gore. Global warming is not a hoax yet they claim their poling to show 37 percent think it is. This isn't even a valid pole. What many people think a hoax of global warming is that we humans  have caused it. That 37% is most likely the people who believe this warming would be happening with or without humans.
Notice the author also bangs away at the idea we should all leave less footprint.  I pull the BS flag on this man made  global warming agenda
This author can kiss my ass! This isn't about conspiracy theories at all.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:06 PM

Well, now, there's an idea -- is man-caused global warming a conspiracy theory?  I have a rule of thumb of going with the scientific community on these questions, so I think it is really happening and is scary.  However, there are competent scientists who still have serious questions, and it is plain that the political left is trying and usually succeeding here with scare tactics that I find unsavory.

Let me say maybe we have to "conspiracies" here -- one that wants to exaggerated it and scare us to do what --?-- nationalize the oil industry and ban private automobiles?  More likely just win elections but not with any real agenda to do anything.

Then there is another "conspiracy," to deny that anything is happening.  This one of course is, to hear the left tell it, in the pocket of the big bad oil and chemical industries.

This all goes to show the sterility of this sort of approach to politics.  The oil industry like to make money, and they have a significant capital investment, so they have a natural tendency to doubt that what they do causes harm, and climatologists are genuinely seeing signs of change that could cause harm -- especially rising sea levels.  But instead of seeing it as conflicting interests that need to be sorted out by reasonable people for the best possible outcome, shrill voices shout conspiracy.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:16 PM

global warming isn't ENTIRELY caused by man frank, but we're sure as hell contributing to it!
(but so do cows & sheep, and you don't hear many of them crying 'conspiracy!' on baaadmoos.com)
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:21 PM

Question: Why do people believe in conspiracy theories?

Answer: Because humans lie

" I imagine that the intellegent people are the ones so intellegent that they dont even need or want to look "intellegent" anymore".
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:24 PM

Well cows and sheep that wouldn't be out there except for our taste for beef and mutton and our use of wool and leather.

The climate is such a complicated business that I wouldn't be the least surprised if maybe ten years from now it will turn out that they had it all wrong -- that all the signs and the increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses was real enough but that the planet has self-correcting mechanisms and thinks we should have an ice age so we will have one (I anthropomorphize mercilessly).  What egg on faces that sort of thing would be.

Or it may happen that technology will save us.  This natural gas technology seems headed that way, and I read a bit (which may have been hype but is the sort of thing one sees more and more often) that a CO2 neutral way of getting natural gas from industrial waste is spreading and could result in unending supplies with no net greenhouse gases at all.

Or we may go as we are going and have to expend billions moving populations and adjusting, but still work through it and do fine.

Or we may go extinct.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:12 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 06 May 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

Well cows and sheep that wouldn't be out there except for our taste for beef and mutton


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not so strange when you think that the domestication of cattle coincided with our ability to brew beer frank, after all, we all love a donner kebab or a greasy burger when we're drunk.....
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:13 PM

hehe Im enjoying this one. Anyone remember the April Fools Fairy?  Some guy builds a model Fairy, sells it on-line on APRIL 1ST, and some still believe its real and being covered up? :w00t:


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"Magicians' prop maker Dan Baines, 31, from London, was flooded with e-mails on 1 April when he published pictures of his creation online".

He claimed a dog walker had found the tiny corpse at Firestone Hill in Duffield, Derbyshire. Mr Baines, formerly of Derby, later admitted it was a hoax, but sold the fairy on an internet site for £280.  There are still a lot of people who believe it's real

An account on his website read: "The 8in remains, complete with wings, skin, teeth and flowing red hair, have been examined by anthropologists and forensic experts who can confirm the body is genuine."

Conspiracy theorists did not believe him when he admitted the convincing model was a hoax, he said.

He said: "There are still a lot of people who believe it's real. It's started quite a lot of conspiracy theories. One claims that the fact I revealed it was a hoax was because of government pressure to stop people digging the ground up." :w00t: :clap:


Ct's believing in Fairies too eh? I dunno....I say get a proper hobby  :tu:


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http://news.bbc.co.u...ire/6545667.stm



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:31 PM

Shrooma that's what gets me. We do NOT have fact of this, you said "but we're sure as hell contributing to it!"

We have knowledge that the earth thrived with much more co2 then we have now and that both caps have ccompletely melted before. We do not know that man contributes to this "global warming" we don't even know its not the norm.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:48 PM

View Postrustygh, on 06 May 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

Shrooma that's what gets me. We do NOT have fact of this, you said "but we're sure as hell contributing to it!"

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so you're saying that mankind isn't CONTRIBUTING towards global warming??
that the millions of tons of gasses we're releasing into the atmosphere are HAVING NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER?!
I know this is a conspiracy theory page rusty, but come on?
seriously??

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