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[scowl]

prometheuslocke, on 14 January 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

These are examples of closed cults, where the members had little or no contact with outside people.

You need to experience a day in the life of a paranoid schizophrenic. They have little or no contact with people. Due to their inability to interact with normal people, they usually shut themselves off to the world. They were once a cult of one, but thanks to the Internet they've found a community to share their delusions just like any other cult.

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They are also cases of people that were criminally insane, and committed illegal acts because of their insanity.  Not the worst example, but it doesn't compare with the group of people who call themselves 'targeted individuals' well.

The people of Heaven's Gate were "targeted individuals". For various reasons they were predisposed to believe outlandish ideas. Applegate scoured the country looking for the people who eventually killed themselves to fly up to the space ship.

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How do you know?  Really, I'm curious.  Regardless, lack of knowledge in science and medicine is not delusion.

But it can lead to delusion. Our lack of understanding of schizophrenia leads some people to believe it's governmental persecution just as victims of the Plagues led some people to believe it was persecution from God. You can read about the many violent religious reactions and strange cults that the Plague created in The Black Death by Phillip Ziegler.

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... again, this was due to a state run deception.

You seem to think that deception is exclusive to government and religious organizations.

[prometheuslocke]

scowl, on 14 January 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

You need to experience a day in the life of a paranoid schizophrenic. They have little or no contact with people. Due to their inability to interact with normal people, they usually shut themselves off to the world. They were once a cult of one, but thanks to the Internet they've found a community to share their delusions just like any other cult.



The people of Heaven's Gate were "targeted individuals". For various reasons they were predisposed to believe outlandish ideas. Applegate scoured the country looking for the people who eventually killed themselves to fly up to the space ship.



But it can lead to delusion. Our lack of understanding of schizophrenia leads some people to believe it's governmental persecution just as victims of the Plagues led some people to believe it was persecution from God. You can read about the many violent religious reactions and strange cults that the Plague created in The Black Death by Phillip Ziegler.

You seem to think that deception is exclusive to government and religious organizations.

It isn't that I believe deception is exclusive to government or religion.. the point I am trying to make is simple, and you are confirming it.  The things you are calling delusion are not delusion, they are intentionally inflicted upon a group of people by a much more powerful monolithic organization.   When the state is responsible for creating the deception which leads to what you perceive as delusion, its certainly not caused by a neurological disorder (which is what a true delusion is).  You may say that the people that fall for it are 'medically predisposed' but I find it unlikely that the whole of Nazi Germany was somehow predisposed to genocide.  

They were deceived, fearful, and subjugated.  

While I will not argue that the stories of TI's and mind control victims seem to be delusion, my argument is that they are being intentionally deceived into appearing this way, and that there is a mechanism very similar to the WW2 propaganda responsible for this appearance.  It is a full scale psychological operation which is being performed on them, with the sole intent of discrediting their testimony, and it's working very well.

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prometheuslocke, on 16 January 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

It isn't that I believe deception is exclusive to government or religion.. the point I am trying to make is simple, and you are confirming it.  The things you are calling delusion are not delusion, they are intentionally inflicted upon a group of people by a much more powerful monolithic organization.  

These are just large historical examples. If you've taken first year psychology or sociology classes in college then you know how it's easy for individuals and small groups to deceive and manipulate people by exploiting their weaknesses and desires. It's easy to convince almost anyone to do or believe anything.

Take a look at how any Ponzi scheme works. Your average Joe wants to become rich so he exploits other average Joes' desire to become rich. You don't need an elaborate conspiracy to convince people that something is real when it isn't. People will line up to believe whatever they want to believe.

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While I will not argue that the stories of TI's and mind control victims seem to be delusion, my argument is that they are being intentionally deceived into appearing this way, and that there is a mechanism very similar to the WW2 propaganda responsible for this appearance.  It is a full scale psychological operation which is being performed on them, with the sole intent of discrediting their testimony, and it's working very well.

Sorry, it's actually schizophrenia. The Mind Control Conspiracy is just another case of people reinforcing their own delusions because the truth is less desirable. What could be worse than knowing that your brain will never work right and you'll always be mentally disabled to some degree? No no no, better to believe that you are a "Targeted Individual" who is so special that there is a vast conspiracy to destroy your mind and life in order to...

...oh wait, for some reason they never give a good reason why they're doing this. Most testimonies claim the "organization" is just plain evil and is run by thousands of perverts, pedophiles and psychopaths who only take pleasure in making people suffer with this science fiction technology and somehow get paid to do it.

[prometheuslocke]

scowl, on 16 January 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

These are just large historical examples. If you've taken first year psychology or sociology classes in college then you know how it's easy for individuals and small groups to deceive and manipulate people by exploiting their weaknesses and desires. It's easy to convince almost anyone to do or believe anything.

Take a look at how any Ponzi scheme works. Your average Joe wants to become rich so he exploits other average Joes' desire to become rich. You don't need an elaborate conspiracy to convince people that something is real when it isn't. People will line up to believe whatever they want to believe.



Sorry, it's actually schizophrenia. The Mind Control Conspiracy is just another case of people reinforcing their own delusions because the truth is less desirable. What could be worse than knowing that your brain will never work right and you'll always be mentally disabled to some degree? No no no, better to believe that you are a "Targeted Individual" who is so special that there is a vast conspiracy to destroy your mind and life in order to...

...oh wait, for some reason they never give a good reason why they're doing this. Most testimonies claim the "organization" is just plain evil and is run by thousands of perverts, pedophiles and psychopaths who only take pleasure in making people suffer with this science fiction technology and somehow get paid to do it.

I have a reason.  http://unduecoercion...times-2016.html

Edited by prometheuslocke, 26 January 2013 - 12:09 PM.

[TheSearcher]

prometheuslocke, out of curiosity, are you the editor or writer of this blog?

[prometheuslocke]

TheSearcher, on 26 January 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

prometheuslocke, out of curiosity, are you the editor or writer of this blog?

I'm a member of the Ministry of Forbidden Knowledge

[prometheuslocke]

We the Illuminati,

We are the Illuminati. We are the union of organized crime, government, and religion. We know things about the world that you do not, and because of that we believe we are entitled to more. We take what we want, we do what we want, and we do it in the name of helping a higher power. That higher power uses our greed against us, and you. It uses our lust for power against the whole. It has spent countless generations setting us up to take the fall for the problems it has created, and yet we do not care.

For many generations, we have known that oil consumption is destroying our environment.

For many generations, we have known that drug trafficking is destroying our society.

For many generations, we have known that we were working towards an alien agenda that planned on destroying humanity.

For th same time, we have known that these things gave us an advantage over you, and so we persisted. This advantage gave us all the luxuries we are taught to hold dear, and for these things we sacrificed love for our brethren, and our children's future. It should be clear to you now that we hold nothing sacred, yet we will claim to be the servants of God, and claim that our cause is holy.

We are not holy, we are evil.

Evil has given us everything you do not have, and more. It has made us better than you, and we know it. We embrace our greed and our lust knowing that we have won a great battle against humanity by doing so. By not caring, we will come out on top in the end. This is our birthright, and it is what we have been promised since the beginning.

We enjoy freedom and justice while you do not.

We enjoy gluttony while you starve.

We enjoy fortune and fame while you are nothing.

For our sacrifice of goodness and righteousness we have been given an edge. We use that edge to slit our own throats, and we don't even see it.

http://www.unduecoercion.org

[TheSearcher]

prometheuslocke, on 28 January 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

I'm a member of the Ministry of Forbidden Knowledge

Ok, I did wonder why you and that blog were the only ones to make those frankly weird claims. Now I know why, so thanks.

[prometheuslocke]

Popper's experiment and faster-than-light signalling
This section's factual accuracy isdisputed. (November 2012)
The expected additional momentum scatter which Popper wrongly attributed to the Copenhagen interpretation can be interpreted as allowing faster-than-light communication, which is thought to be impossible, even inquantum mechanics. Indeed some authors have criticized Popper's experiment based on this impossibility of superluminal communication in quantum mechanics.^[27][28] Use of quantum correlations for faster-than-light communication is thought to be flawed because of the no-communication theorem in quantum mechanics. However the theorem is not applicable to this experiment. In this experiment, the "sender" tries to signal 0 and 1 by narrowing the slit, or widening it, thus changing the probability distribution among the "receiver's" detectors. If the no-communication theorem were applicable, then no matter if the sender widens the slit or narrows it, the receiver should see the same probability distribution among his detectors. This is true, regardless of whether the device was used for communication (i.e. sans coincidence circuit), or not (i.e. in coincidence).

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[jaylemurph]

prometheuslocke, on 28 January 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

I'm a member of the Ministry of Forbidden Knowledge

I hear they get even less funding than the Ministry of Silly Walks. No wonder all those conspiracy theories are so ludicrous.

--Jaylemurph

[TheSearcher]

jaylemurph, on 07 March 2013 - 02:28 AM, said:

I hear they get even less funding than the Ministry of Silly Walks. No wonder all those conspiracy theories are so ludicrous.

--Jaylemurph

But the Ministry of Silly Walks has better training aids

[Harte]

I'm the actual Minister of the Society for Forbidding Ignorance.

Prometheuslocke is on our radar.

Harte

[Quaentum]

prometheuslocke, on 06 February 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

We the Illuminati,

We are the Illuminati. We are the union of organized crime, government, and religion. We know things about the world that you do not, and because of that we believe we are entitled to more. We take what we want, we do what we want, and we do it in the name of helping a higher power. That higher power uses our greed against us, and you. It uses our lust for power against the whole. It has spent countless generations setting us up to take the fall for the problems it has created, and yet we do not care.

For many generations, we have known that oil consumption is destroying our environment.

For many generations, we have known that drug trafficking is destroying our society.

For many generations, we have known that we were working towards an alien agenda that planned on destroying humanity.

For th same time, we have known that these things gave us an advantage over you, and so we persisted. This advantage gave us all the luxuries we are taught to hold dear, and for these things we sacrificed love for our brethren, and our children's future. It should be clear to you now that we hold nothing sacred, yet we will claim to be the servants of God, and claim that our cause is holy.

We are not holy, we are evil.

Evil has given us everything you do not have, and more. It has made us better than you, and we know it. We embrace our greed and our lust knowing that we have won a great battle against humanity by doing so. By not caring, we will come out on top in the end. This is our birthright, and it is what we have been promised since the beginning.

We enjoy freedom and justice while you do not.

We enjoy gluttony while you starve.

We enjoy fortune and fame while you are nothing.

For our sacrifice of goodness and righteousness we have been given an edge. We use that edge to slit our own throats, and we don't even see it.

http://www.unduecoercion.org

So your a member of the Illuminati.  I love talking to people that have been dead more than 300 years.  What am I talking about?  The only real Illuminati was the Bavarian Illuminati that ended in the late 1700's.

[prometheuslocke]

Quaentum, on 08 March 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

So your a member of the Illuminati.  I love talking to people that have been dead more than 300 years.  What am I talking about?  The only real Illuminati was the Bavarian Illuminati that ended in the late 1700's.

So you cannot detect obvious satire in writing.  Things become much clearer now.

[Mikko-kun]

Ok... scowl. You're right about people being able to have delusions. It's a documented thing. Anyone can have delusions, there's three main ways:
1. Use of external substances, magic mushrooms for example.
2. Putting more faith to things than what it's worth. I do that, but I'm always prepared to be taken back to ground when you give a reasonable statement like you did.
For whatever reasons.

In astrology it's been often said that a single planet (a single part of our psyche), Neptune (ability to act according to a role like in the movies or so, to dance, to feel empathy which is plain words means to feel something in that level that's not from you) is a source of illusions and delusions. That's not a bad planet (part of our psyche), but it can have that effect if you let it loose for whatever reasons. To accept that there's border between you and things you think are part of you, is the source of cure. It will create a feeling of anxiety, but that feeling is a preparation to face your core self and what you've been foolish about and accept it with serenity. Neptune blurs borders between you and what's around you as well as the ideas and emotions which are not you but you think are you, so accepting borders is the cure as far as I see it. I've been delusional and read into these matters in my field, you might want to give it a try.

Another thing I've seen associated with schitzophrenia in astrology is Yod pattern, but it's more elaborate to explain so enough off-topic there.

As far as for the evidence, do you always expect to get your hands on the genuine UFO piece or high-tech, mailed at your front door, to accept anything at all here that's against your authority figures? If you do and stick to that, then I guess there's nothing that can be done about it. But it's a problem in your end too then. People just provide the amount of info they will, no more no less. Useless to demand more, as you have seen. I think it's just sensible if this kind of technology existed, because they'd most certainly hide it. Not just because of moral reasons though those are a major thing (keep public happy, dont let there be needless discontent through this kind of stuff), but so that no one would have a chance to steal their technology. If it exists, they'll do all in their power to stop it from leaking to russian or any other hands. I just gotta admire the adamancy with which you disbelievers proclaim to be so sure about things not existing without proof of it being so. As if you knew more than the rest of us... I dont really believe nor disbelieve in this, hold a high possibility for such things to exist though. But whether they exist or not, they shouldn't offer you an excuse to try to be sane even if they did control you.

And a piece of actual contribution to topic, the known case of some doctors performing continuous electro-shock "therapy", more like an experiment, on a woman who lost all her memory. Anyone know about her? I saw a document yeah, she said she had lost all her memory after that and it was horrible to her kids. I heard them at least claim that the experiment was ordered by a government agency or something, but dont know.. you'll say "no it can't be" anyhow unless I take you to the spot. So I wont bother even linking, and I wont bother answering any drivel either.