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#16    Coffey

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 29 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Right, show me qi/chi in scientific literature.
And science says that there is no difference whether you puncture acupoints, or just random needling, or even if no puncture at all.

How can it be in scientific literature if the FDA blocks it... lol

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostTaun, on 29 March 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

I remember watching a report once that the old 'horror drug' Thalidomide was almost 100% effective in killing caner cells - it works by closing the capillaries that lead to the cancer cells and the cells 'die of starvation'...  Apparently one thing that cancer cells do - that makes them so deadly - is that theyw all the capillaries to them thus taking all the nutrients and starving all the normal cells...

Unfortunately, the same thing that makes Thalidomide so effective - the closing of the capillaries - also led to many horrible birth defects in the 1950's... Thalidomide was marketed as a very effective method of stopping a woman's headaches and menstral (sp) pains... Tragically if the woman was pregnant it also caused the developing embryo to not develop arms and legs...
This was a focus of cancer research for a long time - it may still be - they are called anti-angiogenesis drugs.  Substances that impede the formation of blood vessels that "feed" the tumors.  My 91 year old step dad takes a form of it for his wet macular degeneration.  It seems to be helping but one tiny injection into the eye, once per month is 2000 dollars!

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:51 PM

View PostCoffey, on 29 March 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

How can it be in scientific literature if the FDA blocks it... lol
Ah, sure, but going farther - FDA with evil pharma traveled back in time and plagued Europe with Black Death... Dammit, Gorgoroth must be pharma's child...

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:24 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 29 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

Ah, sure, but going farther - FDA with evil pharma traveled back in time and plagued Europe with Black Death... Dammit, Gorgoroth must be pharma's child...

That doesn't even make any sense to the discussion. Most people resort to silly comments when they can't back up what they are saying.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostCoffey, on 29 March 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

That doesn't even make any sense to the discussion. Most people resort to silly comments when they can't back up what they are saying.
Holy... just listen to yourself... You come up with any half witted CT and its OK. But... You may bring really bad stuff that FDA forbade. Whats that? Start counting

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:58 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 29 March 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

Holy... just listen to yourself... You come up with any half witted CT and its OK. But... You may bring really bad stuff that FDA forbade. Whats that? Start counting

What CT?! I posted facts. LOL

The FDA themselves put a huge cost on trials to stop anyone but huge corporate pharmaceuticals from doing it. If you're too blind to see that then it's not my fault. That's a fact and nothing I or you cna say changes that.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:18 PM

View PostCoffey, on 29 March 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

What CT?! I posted facts. LOL[...]
Nope, you posted anecdote{s}


View PostCoffey, on 29 March 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

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The FDA themselves put a huge cost on trials to stop anyone but huge corporate pharmaceuticals from doing it. If you're too blind to see that then it's not my fault. That's a fact and nothing I or you cna say changes that.
Huge cost- what that will be?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:33 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 29 March 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

Nope, you posted anecdote{s}

No i made opinions from facts. huge difference.

View Postbmk1245, on 29 March 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

Huge cost- what that will be?

For trials.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

Ah well guys, no need to further this Pharma-conspiracy-debate. You're passionate about it, and I appreciate that - from both sides - but it kinda takes away from the potentially awesome news from the OP. There might be a viable treatment for cancer just over the horizon!

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 29 March 2013 - 09:05 PM.


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Posted 29 March 2013 - 09:18 PM

I guess there must be some side effects from it, as it uses a ubiquitous receptor?

Still great news though :D

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:21 AM

It takes a miraculous breakthrough in science to fight against aggressive forms of cancer, including tumors. We're inching closer to finding a potential cure for cancer, to shrink tumors is a good way to eradicate the sign of disease. I heard of the fruit Soursap works to destroy cancer cells, but the big pharma has to syntheize the chemical compound from the fruit.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:18 AM

To make his point for him, look up Dr. Faustman. She has been doing research on a diabetic cure for years. It shows huge promise in the rat studies, however it is an old TB vaccine that the patent expired on years ago so there is no profit in it. All her trials so far have been completely funded by donations from people like myself all across the country. This takes a long time in between trials considering the cost of the trials. It will be 2016 before she is done and she has already been working on it for almost a decade if I remember correctly.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:35 AM

View PostCoffey, on 29 March 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Any scientist who comes forth with a cancer cure is blocked by the FDA and medical board. (forget the proper name of it) I've watched countless documentaries on it, it's disgusting. Simbi has the best ones though, I'm sure she will link them if she sees this thread. Simbi knows more about how corrupt it is than me.



I'm not sure you'd have to find the documents if they are still available. It's just normal biology, we eat somehting, get nutrients form it and hey presto we don't get cancer. Along with not eating all the processed stuff as well obviously. It's just natural really from what I got from it anyway.



I show gratitude to those who develop cures yet the FDA blocks them for their friend. (Big pharma...)

View PostCoffey, on 29 March 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

No the one who has actually cured people and has evidence of it....

View PostCoffey, on 29 March 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

What CT?! I posted facts. LOL

The FDA themselves put a huge cost on trials to stop anyone but huge corporate pharmaceuticals from doing it. If you're too blind to see that then it's not my fault. That's a fact and nothing I or you cna say changes that.

View PostCoffey, on 29 March 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

No i made opinions from facts. huge difference.


I have to point that i'm not attacking you, just wanna make some things clear.

OK let say the FDA is blocking cancer research, you know that USA is not the whole world, there are other places on earth that research cancer cure, like Germany.
If a scientist from USA find a cure for cancer, why he/she don't just go in Europe and continue the research there?

You say you have made opinions on facts, but you haven't provide even one fact??  I must add that a fact is something that is true and cant be proven otherwise.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:16 AM

View Postdiablo_04, on 30 March 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

I have to point that i'm not attacking you, just wanna make some things clear.

OK let say the FDA is blocking cancer research, you know that USA is not the whole world, there are other places on earth that research cancer cure, like Germany.
If a scientist from USA find a cure for cancer, why he/she don't just go in Europe and continue the research there?

You say you have made opinions on facts, but you haven't provide even one fact??  I must add that a fact is something that is true and cant be proven otherwise.

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Fee revenue amounts for applications, establishments, and products are to be established each year by FDA so that one-third of the PDUFA fee revenues FDA collects each year will be generated from each of these categories. This notice establishes fee rates for FY 2011 for application fees for an application requiring clinical data ($1,542,000), for an application not requiring clinical data or a supplement requiring clinical data ($771,000), for establishment fees ($497,200), and for product fees ($86,520). These fees are effective on October 1, 2010, and will remain in effect through September 30, 2011.

http://www.gpo.gov/f.../2010-19116.htm

That is just the fee paid to the FDA. Not the cost of actually conducting research to develop the product, conducting animal testing, conducting clinical trials, etc.

You think anyone can afford that without great financial backing?! (From a big pharmaceutical company)

Germany, UK and the rest of Europe are all the same. Our money is all controlled by the same people. (that is not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact)





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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:48 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 29 March 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

[...]There might be a viable treatment for cancer just over the horizon!
Yeap, but when adverse effects will surface, that will be the dirty deeds of "big pharma" :innocent:

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