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[socrates.junior]

Ruhollah Khomeini. I'm all ears for your explanation.

[Knight Of Shadows]

shittee .. not real muslim just a poltician devil who have no morals or princiables um next ?

[socrates.junior]

Weak answer. Not worth continuing the argument if that's how it's going to go.

[Knight Of Shadows]

well you got weak question i answered in same type of your question
when you post details of what you want to be explained you get better answer
but for your current question my answer was more than enough and will suffice

[socrates.junior]

False. Let's not be passive-aggressive about this. You challenged me to name an aggressive Muslim, so I named one. You said: He's not a real Muslim...which is BS. He had/has millions of followers in the Middle East. Stop being childish.

[Knight Of Shadows]

i didn't say to name aggressive muslim i asked you to explain why you think muslim"s" are aggressive in middle east
he got followers in iran and among shittes only .. and no he's not real muslim in case you thought i was joking
but you didn't explain at all you named one muslim and posted that muslims in middle east are aggrissive
and took the most hidious example to explain ?
i can say the same and tell you all americans are george bush ? use some sense when you discuss instead of calling people childish

[socrates.junior]

Nah, I didn't say that all Muslims in the Middle East are aggressive. I said those are Muslims who I don't like. Then you imply that no Muslims anywhere are violent. So I named a violent Muslim...and one that has millions of followers. Here, we'll have a little logic course.

Inductive reasoning creates propositions that speak to a conclusion. For example:

Khomeini is a Muslim.
His followers are Muslims.
He has a lot of followers.
They live in a place called the Middle East.
They are aggressive and nasty.

Therefore, it is true that there are some Muslims in the Middle East that are aggressive and nasty.

See what I did there? (And your example is weak, primarily because George Bush is not a religious leader for millions of people. There's no logical equivalence. Better luck next time.)

[Knight Of Shadows]

well first of all shittes are minority among muslims that's flash news
and then another flash news not all shittes are violent .. just those who mix up with politics
and afterward violent does not measure by his opposiation to the united states .. coz let's face it usa is the most disliked country around the world .. probably more than that person you mentioned

so enlighten me telling me what do you define violent as ? based on what you think a muslim is violent ?
and no one said there are no violent muslims in middle east .. just like there are violent christians and other religions
every religion got exteremists

by the way .. another important flash news .. george bush words " this crusade " yeah he did say crusade
so that's makes it really religious war doesn't it ??! amazing huh ?

[DKO]

You raise a lot of good points knight of shadows, I agree most of what I hear about islam is the news and the very outspoken 'western muslims'.

In Australia theres a small population of muslims that come here to live but yet hate the way we live. Going on national media and telling Australians to change the way we live our lives because it offends them.

Now I believe if anyone doesnt like a countries values they shouldnt move there to live. Especially insult the people living there. If I moved to another country I would never argue the way they live, that would just be rude and offensive IMO.

Heres an example, a group of muslim men raped woman here and the main muslim leader in Sydney blamed it on the woman saying "if you leave uncovered meat out and cats get to it, do you blame the meat or the cats?" I find that extremely offensive and I believe people like that shouldnt be let in the country.
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Now like I said its a small population, muslims with a good attitude(like yourself) I have no problem with at all.

And thankyou for your posts, they have been very reasonable.

[Knight Of Shadows]

exactly my point those muslims living outside in the west they paint a very bad image for muslims
if you don't like it why go there ? you blend in another country you obey THIER rulez you don't forces yours on them
same applies for westerns who comes here they obey our rulez not bring their own rulez with them

for that poor girl for all i know she can walk naked around that doesn't give any one the right to touch her
this is just a common excuse to justify their animalistic nature
hey am not really one sided i just draw the bad points in both side no one is innocent here
every religion got it's maniacs to use it for their personal purposes
some are provoked .. some are just plain dumb to follow their preists or shekh without questioning their common sense
god most amazing gift to human is the brain .. if we not gonna use it and let the supposedly religious leaders do the thinking for us then we might as well dumb our head in the trash
pleasure to meet you by the way

[DKO]

Knight Of Shadows, on 12 April 2012 - 07:25 AM, said:

no one is innocent here

I totally agree, its good to hear from a different point of view other than TV media.

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pleasure to meet you by the way

You too mate.

[Parsip]

Knight Of Shadows, on 12 April 2012 - 04:34 AM, said:

they wanna see muslim terrorists videos they wanna see muslims attack people .. but when some one snap the bubble around their brain and give them reality check they just don't like it

No one's having a laugh here, and nobody wants Muslims to be bad people. Do you think I enjoy the memories of my mother and siblings beating, stabbing and burning me while calling me an infidel? No, but that's reality. It's easy for Muslims and Westerners to pat themselves on the back for "interfaith dialogue" and praise moderate Muslims and similar nonsense, but I can't afford to stick my head in the sand and pretend Muslims are peaceful. Last time I was stupid enough to believe in Muslim tolerance of other religious beliefs, my best friend threatened to kill me for apostasy. You can tell Westerners that there's no problems in Islam or the Middle East, and you may really believe it, but such words are meaningless to me and the hundreds of millions of victims of Islam throughout history, and I sure hope no one here is gullible enough to believe you.

[Knight Of Shadows]

so basically you got into a personal expience that made you tight on your judgement
however i think i'd act the same if i were you .. only differnt is when i do i'll admit it's wrong to accuse all muslims
and blame them all for something few extremists did .. i'd still hang on to my opinion like you are now
but only with that confession slight change

and am sorry for what you been through .. but that doesn't mean i let your wrong claims goes unexplained
you didn't tell us from which country those events happened ?

[RavenHawk]

Knight Of Shadows, on 12 April 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

ohh no .. look .. the terrorist muslim is using new strange of method of killing .. a prayer !

I admire the man offering his prayer.  And the group gathering around him are ignorant morons.  The difference is that Christian extremists aren’t driving the bus.  More than likely, that man will walk away and go home to live his life.  If it was the other way around, I would expect that the odds would be that the one praying would be stoned or beheaded.

On the other hand, this looked staged.  We don’t know the whole story.

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we can all play funny videos when you fail to prove a point .. and to think you two were actually here to make discussions
when you fail to make a point you turn it to a joke .. i can joke too  

For one, I hadn’t failed in proving my points.  I’ve nailed them and have countered everything you’ve said (or am in the process of).  Posting the video was out of frustration.  Although I think the exchange between us is very enlightening, the roots of what you are saying is the same old taqiya.  And that saddens me.  I am here to have a serious discussion but at the same time, I don’t want it too heavy.

[RavenHawk]

Knight Of Shadows, on 12 April 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

very funny hahahaha .. you know what's more funny .. finding the medical term of your condition .. called Islam Phobia

No, it’s not Islamophobia.  It’s just pity.