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#1    Sakari

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 03:23 AM

I am sure there is a similar topic like this one, but who knows.

A lot of people still think "skeptics" are this group of people standing in corners shaking their heads no , and waving their index fingers in the air.Some people think skeptics have not experienced things, and just refuse to believe anything because of this.In reality, I believe a lot of skeptics have experienced things, but do not jump to conclusions on it.

I am asking the skeptics here to share anything they may have experienced, and not asking for a debate on what they could have seen, nor a debate on skeptics vs believers.Maybe a way to show we also experience things, but we look at them in a different way, and find explanations.( not all of the time )

I will start , and I have 3 I will share ( I have 5 total, but this is good enough for now )

1. Lake Almanore 2003ish -

Myself, brother in Law, and wife outside on the deck at night.My brother in law a huge plane buff, and pilot.Dude can name every plane that flies by.We both see a very bright white triangular shaped light in the western sky.It was moving pretty fast, took about 45 seconds to make it across the horizon west to east.He said it looked very high in altitude, and we were both saying " WTF ".The only way I can describe it is if you held your thumb up, it was the size of your thumbnail, and seemed the same altitude as satelites that we see all the time.My wife was no help, she had been drinking and just gave us crap about it.

2. Sparks,Nevada 1995 -
My son and daughter ran into the house at around 2 PM, Summer sunny day.They were both freaking out about flying saucers.I went outside and made them go also to show me.They pointed up and said " they are almost gone".I could see 3 silver metalic very,very,small ball shaped objects at a very high altitude.They seemed to move around each other in a very fast pace, and not in a constant motion.I could only see them for about 15 seconds.

3. Port Orford , Oregon - 2009

Out on the dock in the restaurant.Myself, wife, best friend, and his wife.We were the only people in there, it was close to closing.Wooden chairs and tables and floor.This is a dry dock, not a floating dock.A loud sound ( same as farting in a wooden or plastic chair ) came out, and yes, this is normal with my friends.I said " damn Kevin, good one", he said " wasn't me, that bottle on that table just moved".
It happened again, I was not in position to see it, my wife,his wife,and him saw it move both times.
It moved out from in between the salt and pepper shakers.
Me being me went and looked at everything.I slid the bottle also myself, and it did make that sound, had a sort of grooved bottom.
This one to this day I have no answer for.They are convinced it was a "Ghost " , and kept on with Dinner, no biggie to them.


Anyway, there is my start......

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:15 AM

View PostSakari, on 08 April 2011 - 03:23 AM, said:

I am sure there is a similar topic like this one, but who knows.

A lot of people still think "skeptics" are this group of people standing in corners shaking their heads no , and waving their index fingers in the air.Some people think skeptics have not experienced things, and just refuse to believe anything because of this.In reality, I believe a lot of skeptics have experienced things, but do not jump to conclusions on it.

I am asking the skeptics here to share anything they may have experienced, and not asking for a debate on what they could have seen, nor a debate on skeptics vs believers.Maybe a way to show we also experience things, but we look at them in a different way, and find explanations.( not all of the time )

I will start , and I have 3 I will share ( I have 5 total, but this is good enough for now )

1. Lake Almanore 2003ish -

Myself, brother in Law, and wife outside on the deck at night.My brother in law a huge plane buff, and pilot.Dude can name every plane that flies by.We both see a very bright white triangular shaped light in the western sky.It was moving pretty fast, took about 45 seconds to make it across the horizon west to east.He said it looked very high in altitude, and we were both saying " WTF ".The only way I can describe it is if you held your thumb up, it was the size of your thumbnail, and seemed the same altitude as satelites that we see all the time.My wife was no help, she had been drinking and just gave us crap about it.

2. Sparks,Nevada 1995 -
My son and daughter ran into the house at around 2 PM, Summer sunny day.They were both freaking out about flying saucers.I went outside and made them go also to show me.They pointed up and said " they are almost gone".I could see 3 silver metalic very,very,small ball shaped objects at a very high altitude.They seemed to move around each other in a very fast pace, and not in a constant motion.I could only see them for about 15 seconds.

3. Port Orford , Oregon - 2009

Out on the dock in the restaurant.Myself, wife, best friend, and his wife.We were the only people in there, it was close to closing.Wooden chairs and tables and floor.This is a dry dock, not a floating dock.A loud sound ( same as farting in a wooden or plastic chair ) came out, and yes, this is normal with my friends.I said " damn Kevin, good one", he said " wasn't me, that bottle on that table just moved".
It happened again, I was not in position to see it, my wife,his wife,and him saw it move both times.
It moved out from in between the salt and pepper shakers.
Me being me went and looked at everything.I slid the bottle also myself, and it did make that sound, had a sort of grooved bottom.
This one to this day I have no answer for.They are convinced it was a "Ghost " , and kept on with Dinner, no biggie to them.


Anyway, there is my start......
I've been experiencing knocking on my bedroom door after I've gone to bed.  Two nights ago I awoke to a voice whispering, "I'm at your door."  Then my son also awoke (yes, my baby boy sleeps with me...sue me) and there was a knock on my door again.  Nothings ever there though.

My son has been seeing a man in his room and he's very afraid to even go in there anymore.  None of my friends will go in their either because they have seen or experienced something.  I think it is this man who is knocking on my door.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:17 AM

Good thread idea Sakari, and your restaurant account reminded me of a similar (almost identical, sans the sound...) occurrence I experienced.  I was having dinner with my ex-wife in Corvallis, OR at a Chinese Restaurant.  I estimate that this was between 1994 and 1996, give or take a couple of years...

I had asked for a pitcher of water and the waiter brought one over, filled my glass, and left it on the table.  After a few minutes of talking, the pitcher just moved all by itself across the table about 4 or 5 inches.  Neither of us had bumped the table or anything.  We both looked at it in total shock.  In the moment I wasn't sure what to think, but ghost was definitely something that crossed my mind as a possibility.

My thoughts at this point are that condensation from the pitcher had gathered around the base and that the table wasn't completely level.  Gravity just did the rest.  I do distinctly recall that the outside of the pitcher was visibly wet from condensation and so was the table along the path of the slide.  Could be the same thing with your bottle?

I'll tell my UFO story later... ;) It's a fun one. :P


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:20 AM

View Postarenee, on 08 April 2011 - 04:15 AM, said:

I've been experiencing knocking on my bedroom door after I've gone to bed.  Two nights ago I awoke to a voice whispering, "I'm at your door."  Then my son also awoke (yes, my baby boy sleeps with me...sue me) and there was a knock on my door again.  Nothings ever there though.

My son has been seeing a man in his room and he's very afraid to even go in there anymore.  None of my friends will go in their either because they have seen or experienced something.  I think it is this man who is knocking on my door.
Crikey!  That's an odd experience indeed...

I think you should set up a web cam in your bedroom and record every night.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:25 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 08 April 2011 - 04:20 AM, said:

Crikey!  That's an odd experience indeed...

I think you should set up a web cam in your bedroom and record every night.
I look forward to your UFO story friend but thanks for ruining and debunking your ghost story immediately. :P

Not sure what to do about this one though as I'm kind of a wuss and am not sure I'd want to actually see it.  If I close the door at night it's open in the morning.  I did this as a test and apparently something is opening it.  I'm not sure what.  Whatever this is, it's causing none of my friends to want to stay the night with me.  My son hates his room and he's terrified to go in there.  At first I thought it was just childhood imagination until my mom saw something, my two friends saw something and another friend walked in there and walked right back out saying he felt very uncomfortable.  Whatever it is also threw my son's moon (it's a light that looks like the moon) off the ceiling against the wall as I sat at my computer.  I had tried a few days before to get that darn thing off to change the batteries but couldn't.  It's frustrating.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:41 AM

I'll tell my UFO story, but I doubt it will impress you.  I'll save it a bit though because your situation is far more interesting.

Why not set up cameras?  It is better to know than to wonder, right?


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:44 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 08 April 2011 - 04:41 AM, said:

I'll tell my UFO story, but I doubt it will impress you.  I'll save it a bit though because your situation is far more interesting.

Why not set up cameras?  It is better to know than to wonder, right?
That's what Pax tells me.  However, when I'm here alone with just a three year old boy it's not better to know because I get very scared sometimes.  If I didn't live alone and spend the majority of my time by myself it might be interesting to know.  For now, I just want to get rid of it.  

I think I'd like to hear your UFO story and would find it fascinating as I do many others, unfortunately I've never seen a UFO but I've seen other things yet I remain a skeptic.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:57 AM

View Postarenee, on 08 April 2011 - 04:44 AM, said:

That's what Pax tells me.  However, when I'm here alone with just a three year old boy it's not better to know because I get very scared sometimes.  If I didn't live alone and spend the majority of my time by myself it might be interesting to know.  For now, I just want to get rid of it.  

I think I'd like to hear your UFO story and would find it fascinating as I do many others, unfortunately I've never seen a UFO but I've seen other things yet I remain a skeptic.
You should listen to that wise man of yours and get the cameras hooked up.  It might alleviate your anxiety to discover what is actually happening.  Have you considered that possibility?

As to my UFO story...  and, coincidentally, your man...  I first mentioned my story in a thread that Paxus started.  The original post is right here.  A truncated version follows...

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Yesterday around dusk, I was sitting in my office reading several threads here on UM, watching a youtube clip from one of them, and my fiancÚ yells from the front door, "booN!  Come out here!  Right now!" (she didn't actually say booN, but you get the picture.)

She sounded pretty serious, so I paused the youtube clip, jumped out of my chair, and jogged to the front porch.  She said, "What the hell is that!?" and pointed off to the southern sky.  Now, the house was blocking my view as I stepped out the door, so I came completely out, walked down the stairs, and looked up at what she was talking about.

There was this... "thing" that at first looked to me like a helicopter, because of the shape of it.  I wasn't sure what to think.  And then it started to move erratically, bobbing and jumping, like I would picture the movement of a jellyfish in water.  Again from behind me, "What the F is that thing!?"

It actually raised my heart level.  I wasn't sure what it was, but it looked like some crazy alien being dancing through the atmosphere at first.  (clearly too many youtube videos and threads here on UM...)  And then I saw the tail.  The kite tail.  And of course I chuckled, and explained what it was.  And after we both realized it together, had a good laugh.  (Don't give her a hard time, she didn't have her glasses on!  Give me a hard time all you want though! :rolleyes: )

But I thought I'd throw that out there.  This kite didn't have any flares on it, didn't have any glow sticks or anything, it was just a dark object bobbing around in the dusky sky.  And for a brief second, I was actually concerned that it was something out of this world.

Don't dismiss the most common of objects in the sky as potential sources for these reports.  It happens more often than people care to admit!
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See why I said it wouldn't impress you? :P

It was a seriously intense moment for me though.  I can honestly say that I've experienced the same feelings that any other UFO witness has experienced, ever so briefly, from that one innocuous encounter.  My heart rate increased, I felt anxious, I was in awe, I was filled with wonder...  the whole bit - for a fraction of a second.  It was actually pretty incredible despite the silliness of what was actually in the sky.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 05:41 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 08 April 2011 - 04:57 AM, said:

You should listen to that wise man of yours and get the cameras hooked up.  It might alleviate your anxiety to discover what is actually happening.  Have you considered that possibility?
Ahh look at you BooNy now you're gonna embarrass him talking about him like that.  I think he probably blushes when you put stuff like that up.

If I find nothing though and still experience things, it doesn't do anything.  I still have to worry about what it is.  If I do see something, what can I do about it?  I'm honestly asking...

View PostbooNyzarC, on 08 April 2011 - 04:57 AM, said:

As to my UFO story...  and, coincidentally, your man...  I first mentioned my story in a thread that Paxus started.  The original post is right here.  A truncated version follows...


See why I said it wouldn't impress you? :P

It was a seriously intense moment for me though.  I can honestly say that I've experienced the same feelings that any other UFO witness has experienced, ever so briefly, from that one innocuous encounter.  My heart rate increased, I felt anxious, I was in awe, I was filled with wonder...  the whole bit - for a fraction of a second.  It was actually pretty incredible despite the silliness of what was actually in the sky.
That's a cute story, but seeing something and thinking even for a brief moment it's a UFO is much further than I've ever gotten.  I envy the feeling you describe.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 05:49 AM

View Postarenee, on 08 April 2011 - 05:41 AM, said:

Ahh look at you BooNy now you're gonna embarrass him talking about him like that.  I think he probably blushes when you put stuff like that up.

If I find nothing though and still experience things, it doesn't do anything.  I still have to worry about what it is.  If I do see something, what can I do about it?  I'm honestly asking...
I guess that would all depend on what you see, wouldn't it?  I still say it is better to see something and then figure out how to deal with it than close your eyes and hope it goes away.


View Postarenee, on 08 April 2011 - 05:41 AM, said:

That's a cute story, but seeing something and thinking even for a brief moment it's a UFO is much further than I've ever gotten.  I envy the feeling you describe.
It was exciting.  I look forward to the next experience with the hopes that it is a little less explainable.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 05:53 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 08 April 2011 - 05:49 AM, said:

I guess that would all depend on what you see, wouldn't it?  I still say it is better to see something and then figure out how to deal with it than close your eyes and hope it goes away.



It was exciting.  I look forward to the next experience with the hopes that it is a little less explainable.
I'm not hoping it goes it away, I'm trying to learn how to make it go away.  Like I said though, if I didn't live alone, I would be more willing to see it.  Unfortunately, if I saw it and still didn't know how to get rid of it, I'd probably be living in fear until I knew what to do.  Maybe after I know how to make it go away I'll be more willing to see it.

Maybe when we're in my flying saucer we'll see all kinds of neat things. :alien: :tu:

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 06:12 AM

View Postarenee, on 08 April 2011 - 05:53 AM, said:

I'm not hoping it goes it away, I'm trying to learn how to make it go away.  Like I said though, if I didn't live alone, I would be more willing to see it.  Unfortunately, if I saw it and still didn't know how to get rid of it, I'd probably be living in fear until I knew what to do.  Maybe after I know how to make it go away I'll be more willing to see it.

Maybe when we're in my flying saucer we'll see all kinds of neat things. :alien: :tu:
Maybe it's just me, but I see this line of thought as backward.  You can't know how to get rid of something if you don't know what it is.  Or am I being too logical?


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 06:30 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 08 April 2011 - 06:12 AM, said:

Maybe it's just me, but I see this line of thought as backward.  You can't know how to get rid of something if you don't know what it is.  Or am I being too logical?
Then I invite you to come set up the web cam and watch it.  When you see something figure out how to get rid of it and tell me.  We'll go from there.  

And no, that's not logical.  I am working on trying to figure this thing out smarty pants.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 06:33 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 08 April 2011 - 06:12 AM, said:

Maybe it's just me, but I see this line of thought as backward.  You can't know how to get rid of something if you don't know what it is.  Or am I being too logical?

Yeah, don't be so heavy handed with the logic, some people can't take it.

J/K Arenee. :P

BTW Arenee, have you seen the movie Paranormal Activity? If you haven't, don't watch it or it will just creep you out even more. ^_^

Edited by Slave2Fate, 08 April 2011 - 06:34 AM.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 06:38 AM

Hey Sakari, cool thread. I just wish I had something interesting to share. I'm a little jealous of people who have had experiences worth writing about. :hmm:

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