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#1    LucidElement

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 06:58 AM

The Starchild skull is an abnormal human skull which was found in Mexico. It is primarily known through paranormal researchers' claims that it represents evidence of extraterrestrial contact. Mitochondrial DNA recovered from the skull establishes that it is human (WIKIPEDIA)

Human Skull or Paranormal Skull??? interesting.. even though they say the DNA matches it as a human... government cover-up?

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 07:16 AM

View PostLucidElement, on 25 March 2010 - 06:58 AM, said:

The Starchild skull is an abnormal human skull which was found in Mexico. It is primarily known through paranormal researchers' claims that it represents evidence of extraterrestrial contact. Mitochondrial DNA recovered from the skull establishes that it is human (WIKIPEDIA)

Human Skull or Paranormal Skull??? interesting.. even though they say the DNA matches it as a human... government cover-up?


It's a diseased human from a child who has progeria.  There doesn't seem to be any evidence of anything else except it looks weird, but so does the wiki photo of the progeria patient.  The child probably had other deforming issues as well that caused its death.  That's probably why it's a child skull.   The extra brain capacity is interesting though, but if it didn't use most of it like the rest of us, its a moot point.


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Posted 27 March 2010 - 03:29 AM

View PostAstute One, on 25 March 2010 - 07:16 AM, said:

It's a diseased human from a child who has progeria.  There doesn't seem to be any evidence of anything else except it looks weird, but so does the wiki photo of the progeria patient.  The child probably had other deforming issues as well that caused its death.  That's probably why it's a child skull.   The extra brain capacity is interesting though, but if it didn't use most of it like the rest of us, its a moot point.
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Posted 27 March 2010 - 04:00 AM

The facts are there.  No mystery waits to be unravelled.


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Posted 27 March 2010 - 04:10 AM

View PostLucidElement, on 25 March 2010 - 06:58 AM, said:

The Starchild skull is an abnormal human skull which was found in Mexico. It is primarily known through paranormal researchers' claims that it represents evidence of extraterrestrial contact. Mitochondrial DNA recovered from the skull establishes that it is human (WIKIPEDIA)

Human Skull or Paranormal Skull??? interesting.. even though they say the DNA matches it as a human... government cover-up?
government cover up? even UFO Hunters said it had human DNA. would crazy old Bill let that go if it was a cover up?


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Posted 28 March 2010 - 12:25 AM

So what's up with Pye's story then on the front page of UM today?

Starchild skull "not entirely human" ?
Posted on Saturday, 27 March, 2010 | 28 comments | Posted by: Saru

A recent DNA test performed on the Starchild skull has allegedly revealed that the father wasn't human.

The highly controversial skull has been the focus of work by Lloyd Pye for years, now thanks to improvements in DNA recovery processes the DNA of the father has been allegedly confirmed as 'not human'.

Edit:  Just went back and read the comments for the article.  I asked there, but I'll ask here as well.  Why would only the male DNA deteriorate?

Edited by Qoais, 28 March 2010 - 12:34 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 03:56 AM

View Postsinewave, on 27 March 2010 - 04:00 AM, said:

The facts are there. No mystery waits to be unravelled.

Agreed, no need to look at this any further. We should not be wasting science's time on such fringe baloney. However, some fringe pseudo-scientist actually looked at the Nuclear DNA in March 2010 with the new 454 Science method used to break the Neanderthal DNA. Apparently they were not satisfied in only recovering the Starchild's Mother's DNA 5 or 6 years ago (they obtained no nuclear DNA at the time).

The result
"342 contiguous base pairs finally extracted from the Nuclear DNA in early March - "NO match to human found" from the NIH database."

We need to put a stop to this pseudo-science immediately. The Geneticist should be de-certified and the lab closed.

Edited by Stranger14, 28 March 2010 - 03:58 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2010 - 05:33 AM

Some extra info:


DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD, a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes". Further DNA testing at Trace Genetics, which unlike BOLD specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, in 2003 recovered mitochondrial DNA from both skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C, while the adult female belongs to haplogroup A. Both haplotypes are characteristic Native American haplogroups, but the different haplogroup for each skull indicates that the adult female was not the child's mother. Trace Genetics was not able to recover useful lengths of nuclear DNA or Y-chromosomal DNA for further testing.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 10:35 AM

View PostQoais, on 28 March 2010 - 12:25 AM, said:

So what's up with Pye's story then on the front page of UM today?

Starchild skull "not entirely human" ?
Posted on Saturday, 27 March, 2010 | 28 comments | Posted by: Saru

A recent DNA test performed on the Starchild skull has allegedly revealed that the father wasn't human.

The highly controversial skull has been the focus of work by Lloyd Pye for years, now thanks to improvements in DNA recovery processes the DNA of the father has been allegedly confirmed as 'not human'.

Edit:  Just went back and read the comments for the article.  I asked there, but I'll ask here as well.  Why would only the male DNA deteriorate?

I'd be more interested in why that article has no evidence and only a claim.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 01:31 PM

View PostMattshark, on 28 March 2010 - 10:35 AM, said:

I'd be more interested in why that article has no evidence and only a claim.
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Posted 28 March 2010 - 05:17 PM

View PostQoais, on 28 March 2010 - 12:25 AM, said:

So what's up with Pye's story then on the front page of UM today?

Starchild skull "not entirely human" ?
Posted on Saturday, 27 March, 2010 | 28 comments | Posted by: Saru

A recent DNA test performed on the Starchild skull has allegedly revealed that the father wasn't human.

The highly controversial skull has been the focus of work by Lloyd Pye for years, now thanks to improvements in DNA recovery processes the DNA of the father has been allegedly confirmed as 'not human'.

Edit:  Just went back and read the comments for the article.  I asked there, but I'll ask here as well.  Why would only the male DNA deteriorate?


It is not possible to create viable offspring if the DNA is radically different, i.e. human non-human hybrids.  Organisms must be at least in the same genus to produce offspring and that is not always good enough. Assertions to the contrary are nothing more than science fiction.


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Posted 29 March 2010 - 09:32 AM

Have you seen,The Elephant Mans skull?..Or the strange skulls found in Peru and other south american countries?....There are enough human deformities, without having to look upwards for the answer.!                                                                                               Good story though !!....But,with questionable (secretive) evidence..And Mr.Pye asking for money.....!         Well, it's just that,....A story!! :yes:

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 07:16 PM

View Post1963, on 29 March 2010 - 09:32 AM, said:

Have you seen,The Elephant Mans skull?..Or the strange skulls found in Peru and other south american countries?....There are enough human deformities, without having to look upwards for the answer.!                                                                                               Good story though !!....But,with questionable (secretive) evidence..And Mr.Pye asking for money.....!         Well, it's just that,....A story!! :yes:
While the 'Starchild' and Elephant man's skull are the result of disease, the 'strange' skulls from the America's are the result of head shaping...

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 10:46 PM

View PostPax Unum, on 29 March 2010 - 07:16 PM, said:

While the 'Starchild' and Elephant man's skull are the result of disease, the 'strange' skulls from the America's are the result of head shaping...

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Edited by 1963, 29 March 2010 - 10:50 PM.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:21 PM

I heard the mother was human, but they could not identify the DNA of the father.  That makes sense when you consider that in most religions the sons of god (the dads) mated with the human women.





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