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reintroducing corporal punishment in schools?


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#16    shrooma

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 26 February 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:


may just be coincidence, or part of a larger number of problems, such as the moral decay of our culture.
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:04 PM

View Postrashore, on 26 February 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

I'm not a fan of school corporal punishment. Really really not a fan. It's not ok when a parent canes their child, it's really not ok for other people to do it.
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i'd allow it, because if my kids were being so bad at school that caning them was even considered, then they'd deserve their punishment.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

I remember back when i was in high school this one little punk got punished by the principal then went home crying to daddy.Next thing you know his pops shows up at the school telling the principal all kinds of tough talk,Then the principal kicked his ass!One of the funniest damn things ever.Two birds with one stone! :lol:

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 26 February 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

I remember back when i was in high school this one little punk got punished by the principal then went home crying to daddy.Next thing you know his pops shows up at the school telling the principal all kinds of tough talk,Then the principal kicked his ass!One of the funniest damn things ever.Two birds with one stone! :lol:
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

Here in Oklahoma we have (or at least had) a program for 'tough kids' who were violently disruptive in class (as opposed to those who were just annoyingly class clowns like I was :whistle: )...

This program (and I'm sure other states have similar ones) was run with the help of Reserve Army Drill Sgt's (and retired active duty Drill Sgts as well)...  The Drill Sgts would provide the 'direction' and discipline (but never strike or even demean the kid) and teachers would then teach the subjects...   Usually a month or so of this and the kids were ready to go back to regular school and we had very good results...

I did this for a while and it's both heartening when you see a kid 'mend their ways' and disheartening when you get to know the kids and learn their back stories - usually broken disfunctional homes...

I would like to point out that it's not like 'basic training' you see in movies... We were never allowed to strike or put our hands on a student in any way except like a sports coach would (less violently actually, remembering back to my coaches...)

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:23 PM

that kind of thing would work taun. it's instilling a sense of discipline and respect that I was thinking of.
it would be nice if kids these days would respond to that without corporal punishment, but they think they're bullet-proof!
maybe we should introduce sergeant punishment instead of corporal punishment...?
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:27 PM

View PostTaun, on 26 February 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

We were never allowed to strike or put our hands on a student in any way except like a sports coach would (less violently actually, remembering back to my coaches...)
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Phys-Ed teachers seem to be the same the world over, sadists to a man!!

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:28 PM

View Postshrooma, on 26 February 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

that kind of thing would work taun. it's instilling a sense of discipline and respect that I was thinking of.
it would be nice if kids these days would respond to that with corporal punishment, but they think they're bullet-proof!
maybe we should introduce sergeant punishment instead of corporal punishment...?
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Ahhh... But it's not a "punishment" ... It's an "opportunity to widen their horizons"....   :devil:


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

View Postshrooma, on 26 February 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

that kind of thing would work taun. it's instilling a sense of discipline and respect that I was thinking of.
it would be nice if kids these days would respond to that without corporal punishment, but they think they're bullet-proof!
maybe we should introduce sergeant punishment instead of corporal punishment...?
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Sadly I think some kids would be past even that.  Like you say, they think they are bullet proof and would just walk off or even lash out and hit someone.

I worry a lot about my kids (they are only 4 and 6!), I discipline them and always will but sometimes I look at the teens I see on the streets and think how the hell did they end up like that???


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 26 February 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

It does not help when we have the lefty brigade saying that the reason why little Desmond has just threatened to stab the teacher is because he has a "learning difficulty",
As pointed out, the discipline starts at home.
The South London school i went did eventually have a separate section for the unruly kids....when they showed up! But in those days the teachers were tougher, now they have to be extremely careful how they talk to these children...incase they 'scare" them and upset them and then the parents come to the school and threaten to sue the teacher.
The kids know all the tricks of the trade today, tricks which they  should not be able to get away with and some of the parents are not helping matter.

This probably wouldn't be popular with most people, but I think there should be video cameras in every class. Then, neither teachers nor the students would be able to talk their way out of anything. It's not like schools are supposed to be private or anything anyway.......even the police have cameras in their patrol cars. And in Russia the citizens have video cameras in their cars because the cops are corrupt.

As far as corporal punishment goes, I never liked the idea. First time punishment, send them home for the day, second time, send them home for the week, third time, their expelled. Parents might get a little more involved then......

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:33 PM

View PostTaun, on 26 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:




Ahhh... But it's not a "punishment" ... It's an "opportunity to widen their horizons"....   :devil:
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I know what you mean about dysfunction though, a lot of parents don't seem to care what their kids get up to these days. as long as they're not getting under their feet, they let them do whatever they want!
not an ideal upbringing....

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:37 PM

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I worry a lot about my kids (they are only 4 and 6!), I discipline them and always will
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there's nothing wrong with instilling a sense of right and wrong in your kids, it's the best life-lesson you could possibly give them!
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:41 PM

What we need is some form of punishment that really impacts a student and motivates change, yet doesn't remove them from the classroom.  I don't want it to sound like a stereotype, but many of those who act out have a bit of a struggle in the classroom anyway.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

View PostEuphorbia, on 26 February 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:



This probably wouldn't be popular with most people, but I think there should be video cameras in every class. Then, neither teachers nor the students would be able to talk their way out of anything.
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it would certainly be popular with me!
if a teacher showed me a video of my kids being little swines at school, there'd be all kinds of hell dished out when I got them home!!

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

View Postshrooma, on 26 February 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

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there's nothing wrong with instilling a sense of right and wrong in your kids, it's the best life-lesson you could possibly give them!
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