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#406    C235

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:41 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 08 December 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

The mother and the father come together to make baby = family of three   lol :P



So because science invented technology to test and prove the paranormal and it hasn't proved it as yet... this is not progress? Of course it's progress, they are not there yet, but still progressing.. If they never so much as made a move to try, then you could say no progress.. The christian scientists feel they too made progress lol



I did ? Really ?   I could have sworn the only person that tried to make that claim was  in fact...........

This is your post below right?


  In fact when I read that sentence, I thought was a typo due to how it was written.. I had to ask you what you meant by - > Science's all attempts were futile?  



Well you were the only one that first suggested  that maybe science will prove god..  What you cannot grasp,is if they did, they would have to observe god in order to prove god for the world to see..  

Science studies , tests, experiments and observes., that's how it works



I was not trying to confuse everything..  I read your post  ( pages back )  where you had said, see below


I put it to you that if they do prove god, they would have to be able to observe god for all to see... God then becomes part of the natural world and so on Personally, I do not believe they will prove god, I was going along with your hopes that they will one day prove god is real.. Like you say above - I told you so .. My question to that is - Why would science after proving god, say I told you so?   Science  do not claim there is a god and want people to believe .. Unless you speak of Christian scientists ?
No results means No progress in my opinion. Why so touchy? Imagine me for instance trying to make you understand :D My trying doesn't mean i have progressed.


What's the point of this really. you keep repeating yourself  claiming you know better than me what i have wrote. How many times have you butchered my sentences manipulating words to prove yourself. LOL & a new question. How many question have you extracted from one single sentence?! Whats the point when you hold no value to the integrity of your stance.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 08 December 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

God I wish. Maybe we should try...

Then Its bull! :td:


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:57 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 08 December 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Then your god isn't real, either, by your weird ass definitions of things. He's just an idea, and as we have seen ( ;) ) ideas aren't real!

My definition of God is of the non-duality variety not the Christain one.

The only thing that actually exists is mind. The ideas, beliefs, knowledge, information and perceptions it contains arent objectively real they are subjections.

In a materialist society your are taught that an external reality (outside of your mind) exists and that you are the end product of it (atoms arranged in a certain order). As such your are led into the delusion (without realising it) that you are the sum of your own perceptions. The result is if you have negative thoughts the health of your mind quickly deteriorates.

It is your mind that creates perceptions not perceptions which have created the mind. If you step back and take an unbiased stance you would be able to see that perceptions exist outside of your head. Colour being the perfect example. The reason why perceptions exist outside of your head is because reality and the mind are not two seperate things.

And hence we arrive at non-dualism where everything that exists is mind and the idea of seperate parts is an illusion. Me, you, and everything else are not seperate we are all one which is what God is.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:00 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 08 December 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

1. Oh I see so Quantum Mechanics is from the middle ages is it? (Hahahahah)
2. How is this mysterious property called colour passed from the eye to the brain when the optic nerve only conducts electrical signals?

Photons come in different wavelengths not colours.
A short wavelength is gamma radiation and a long one is radio waves.
In the middle your eyes can detect a short range of wavelengths
When they do an electrical signal is sent to the brain
You brain creates colour from those electrical signals.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Color_vision From the third line I quote 'a human's perception of colors is a subjective process'. Its you that needs to study biology not that I havent pointed this out to you on previous threads (hahahahaha).

But color "is" real because what the cones in your eye register is whatever wavelength of light that is not absorbed by whatever it is you are looking at. i.e. a red apple is red because it absorbs the other wavelengths and reflects the one we call red. Regardless if someone can see red or if we want to argue what red is, the fact remains that the eye registers a distinct wavelength for different colors.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:01 PM

View PostC235, on 08 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

No results means No progress in my opinion ( snip)

You cannot achieve anything without trying...  It's debatable if they have made progress... Some believe they have proof of the paranormal, some are still doubtful   Christian scientists believe they have come far..  Do you believe they have?  

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   How many question have you extracted from one single sentence?!                  

As I clearly pointed out earlier.. They were in fact two sentences you wrote, I gave two separate questions ...Because you put two sentences in the same post, doesn't make it a complete sentence..Short paragraph maybe, but not a sentence

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:02 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 08 December 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

My definition of God is of the non-duality variety not the Christain one.

The only thing that actually exists is mind. The ideas, beliefs, knowledge, information and perceptions it contains arent objectively real they are subjections.

In a materialist society your are taught that an external reality (outside of your mind) exists and that you are the end product of it (atoms arranged in a certain order). As such your are led into the delusion (without realising it) that you are the sum of your own perceptions. The result is if you have negative thoughts the health of your mind quickly deteriorates.

It is your mind that creates perceptions not perceptions which have created the mind. If you step back and take an unbiased stance you would be able to see that perceptions exist outside of your head. Colour being the perfect example. The reason why perceptions exist outside of your head is because reality and the mind are not two seperate things.

And hence we arrive at non-dualism where everything that exists is mind and the idea of seperate parts is an illusion. Me, you, and everything else are not seperate we are all one which is what God is.

Take it to the philosophy forum.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:15 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 08 December 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

But color "is" real because what the cones in your eye register is whatever wavelength of light that is not absorbed by whatever it is you are looking at. i.e. a red apple is red because it absorbs the other wavelengths and reflects the one we call red. Regardless if someone can see red or if we want to argue what red is, the fact remains that the eye registers a distinct wavelength for different colors.

Colour is not a property of photons its a perception.

If you disagree then why would a colour blind person see blue when you see red? The optic nerve only conducts electrical signals too so if you think colour is real how does it pass from the eye to the brain?


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:19 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 08 December 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Colour is not a property of photons its a perception.

If you disagree then why would a colour blind person see blue when you see red? The optic nerve only conducts electrical signals too so if you think colour is real how does it pass from the eye to the brain?

Like I said in my post, the rods and cones in your eyes respond to different wavelengths that are interpreted as color.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:22 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 08 December 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Like I said in my post, the rods and cones in your eyes respond to different wavelengths that are interpreted as color.

That sounds like you've arrived at colour being a perception.

Now all you need to notice is how colour exists outside of your head and the penny should drop.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:24 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 08 December 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

That sounds like you've arrived at colour being a perception.

Now all you need to notice is how colour exists outside of your head and the penny should drop.

You're missing the point. Whatever properties we do or do not ascribe to these different wavelengths, there are still different wavelengths. These are not based on our perception.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:44 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 08 December 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

You're missing the point. Whatever properties we do or do not ascribe to these different wavelengths, there are still different wavelengths. These are not based on our perception.

Photons only exist when they're being measured (last page the Dr Quantum Vid)


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:51 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 08 December 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

Photons only exist when they're being measured (last page the Dr Quantum Vid)

And the moon isn't real unless I look at it. *sigh* Forget it.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:04 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 08 December 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

And the moon isn't real unless I look at it. *sigh* Forget it.

I havent reached my non-dualist stance from igorance.

It came after years of science and philosophy. In the unlikely event someone can present an argument that destroys non-dualism I would listen and go on a search for a new truth.

I dont see how it can be done though. Everything other stance is flawed that I've encountered.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:55 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 08 December 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

1. Oh I see so Quantum Mechanics is from the middle ages is it? (Hahahahah)
Now this time use your brain when reading my response.

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2. How is this mysterious property called colour passed from the eye to the brain when the optic nerve only conducts electrical signals?
Digital cameras are magic!!! They can pass this mysterious property using only signals.

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http://en.wikipedia....ki/Color_vision From the third line I quote 'a human's perception of colors is a subjective process'. Its you that needs to study biology not that I havent pointed this out to you on previous threads (hahahahaha).
Perception isn't reality, you've already had this pointed out to you. When are you finally going to get it?


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 02:57 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 08 December 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

I havent reached my non-dualist stance from igorance.

It came after years of science and philosophy. In the unlikely event someone can present an argument that destroys non-dualism I would listen and go on a search for a new truth.

I dont see how it can be done though. Everything other stance is flawed that I've encountered.
Lmao. You reject natural science for heaven sake. Learn to lie better.





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