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Coffey, on 13 August 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

I didn't read past that cause you completely misread what I said.



See the making it, part... I meant through US/Israeli government etc putting things in place...

You know like coaxing people into war etc.

The US AND Israeli governments are both secular.  No matter what garbage is spoken here.  Bush was accused of being evangelical and it simply wasn't true.  Netanyahu has an eye to history, yes.  But he is not even Orthodox.  The reasoning behind these wars has little to do with religion.  But I think they have everything to do with prophecy.

[shaddow134]

and then, on 13 August 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

The US AND Israeli governments are both secular.  No matter what garbage is spoken here.  Bush was accused of being evangelical and it simply wasn't true.  Netanyahu has an eye to history, yes.  But he is not even Orthodox.  The reasoning behind these wars has little to do with religion.  But I think they have everything to do with prophecy.

All this so Jesus can walk through the ashes of his followers.....

[The New Richard Nixon]

I say Bigfoot is behind this

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shaddow134, on 13 August 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

All this so Jesus can walk through the ashes of his followers.....

What an odd thing to say.  Whatever makes you think the ashes will be of His followers?  

[SteveBronfman]

"The United States still believes that Iran is not on the verge of having a nuclear weapon and that Tehran has not made a decision to pursue one, U.S. officials said on Thursday."

Weren't you arguing that American didn't find any WMDs in Iraq on another thread? If not sorry, but if so, then how is it you trust US intelligence agencies about this?

[Br Cornelius]

SteveBronfman, on 14 August 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

"The United States still believes that Iran is not on the verge of having a nuclear weapon and that Tehran has not made a decision to pursue one, U.S. officials said on Thursday."

Weren't you arguing that American didn't find any WMDs in Iraq on another thread? If not sorry, but if so, then how is it you trust US intelligence agencies about this?

The US intelligence agency clearly informed the administration that there were no WMD. The administration told the agency to "go away and find the evidence". The British intelligence agency was used as the fall guy and created the famous "SEXED UP" version of the report on missiles capable of reaching America.

In that case the intelligence agencies did their job correctly - until interfered with.

Br Cornelius

[ExpandMyMind]

SteveBronfman, on 14 August 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

"The United States still believes that Iran is not on the verge of having a nuclear weapon and that Tehran has not made a decision to pursue one, U.S. officials said on Thursday."

Weren't you arguing that American didn't find any WMDs in Iraq on another thread? If not sorry, but if so, then how is it you trust US intelligence agencies about this?

Because it is consistent with what other intelligence agencies around the world say, including Israeli.


Iran undecided on nuclear bomb - Israel military chief

The head of the Israeli military has said he does not think Iran will develop nuclear weapons.
Chief of Staff Lt Gen Benny Gantz made the statement in aninterview with the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz.
He said Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had not yet made the final decision whether to build a nuclear bomb.

"In his interview with Haaretz, Benny Gantz takes care to repeat a point made on previous occasions this year by a number of Israeli and US intelligence officials: Iran has not yet made the decision to make actual nuclear weapons.
The IDF Chief of Staff even goes one step further with the assessment that he does not think that Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei will take this final step."
http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-17837768

When a government's clear agenda is to propagate one claim, and yet their intelligence communities and military are not spouting the same propaganda, then we KNOW the government is lying.

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 14 August 2012 - 11:06 AM.

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ExpandMyMind, on 14 August 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

Because it is consistent with what other intelligence agencies around the world say, including Israeli.


Iran undecided on nuclear bomb - Israel military chief

The head of the Israeli military has said he does not think Iran will develop nuclear weapons.
Chief of Staff Lt Gen Benny Gantz made the statement in aninterview with the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz.
He said Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had not yet made the final decision whether to build a nuclear bomb.

"In his interview with Haaretz, Benny Gantz takes care to repeat a point made on previous occasions this year by a number of Israeli and US intelligence officials: Iran has not yet made the decision to make actual nuclear weapons.
The IDF Chief of Staff even goes one step further with the assessment that he does not think that Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei will take this final step."
http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-17837768

When a government's clear agenda is to propagate one claim, and yet their intelligence communities and military are not spouting the same propaganda, then we KNOW the government is lying.

The same is true of the WMD claims of the time.  There was near unanimity in world capitols.  Arguing over whether Iran wants a nuclear weapon is infantile at this point.  No nation goes through the contortions Iran is subjecting itself to for something like the right to nuclear electricity generation.  So the issue really is who supports their right to be armed with a nuke and who does not.  I believe they are way past the point of being stopped now.  I do not think Israel will attack alone, though they might risk America's wrath on this if Netanyahu is actually as concerned as he says he is.  I think a person who believes that an Iranian bomb is either a good OR a neutral element in M.E. regional stability is foolish.  It WILL further destabilize the most unstable place on earth.  War WILL follow at some point.  The world COULD stop this but is choosing not to.  Oh, and all that Bible prophecy stuff about the region?  Just nonsense from some magical sky daddy.  Nothing to see here...move along.

[ExpandMyMind]

And then, it is impossible to take your posts seriously when you hold your biased views due to the fact you think Armageddon is coming with Muslims being the ones to start it to bring in a Calaphate. This is where your reasoning comes from.

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ExpandMyMind, on 15 August 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

And then, it is impossible to take your posts seriously when you hold your biased views due to the fact you think Armageddon is coming with Muslims being the ones to start it to bring in a Calaphate. This is where your reasoning comes from.

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it, no problems here.  For the record though, "Armageddon" is a very specific battle and happens at a specific time.The conflicts I see happening in short order in the M.E. are not this battle.  These are just the plain old man hating man kind.  And Ex you are so invested in your own worldview that God Himself could appear and you'd ask for ID...... so spend your time being serious about whatever you like.  It really doesn't matter to anyone other than yourself.

[B Jenkins]

ExpandMyMind, on 15 August 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

And then, it is impossible to take your posts seriously when you hold your biased views due to the fact you think Armageddon is coming with Muslims being the ones to start it to bring in a Calaphate. This is where your reasoning comes from.

Christian Zionists dont care what amount of human suffering and oppression of the poor they fanatically condone and approve just in order to see the return of Jesus upon Jerusalem. But, hey, Matthew 7:21-23, Luke 10:30-37, Luke 18:8-14, .

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dside, on 15 August 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

Christian Zionists dont care what amount of human suffering and oppression of the poor they fanatically condone and approve just in order to see the return of Jesus upon Jerusalem. But, hey, Matthew 7:21-23, Luke 10:30-37, Luke 18:8-14, .

Wrong again, Chuckles.  We simply recognize that what is happening was meant to happen and all the flailing against it in the world will not change that.  Quote your version of faith all you want, the proof is in what situation exists on the ground.  It would not be so if it were against God's will.  But you seem to know better so rock on.  After the next war maybe you can come up with even more reams of useless info explaining why the Jews shouldn't be sitting on even more land.

[B Jenkins]

and then, on 15 August 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

Wrong again, Chuckles.  We simply recognize that what is happening was meant to happen and all the flailing against it in the world will not change that.  Quote your version of faith all you want, the proof is in what situation exists on the ground.  It would not be so if it were against God's will.  But you seem to know better so rock on.  After the next war maybe you can come up with even more reams of useless info explaining why the Jews shouldn't be sitting on even more land.

The Canaanites nations stood for 430 years before the fullness of their sins.

Bull, because the Kingdom of Israel stood for over 200 years before the Assyrians took them and forever removed their Hebrew identity.

The Kingdom of Judea stood for 377 years before the Babylonians took them captive.

The Kingdom of the Hasmonean stood for 77 years before they fell under Roman rule and the Edomite Herod the Great was raised as their king.

The Nation of Israel has stood for approximately 64 years now.

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dside, on 15 August 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

The Canaanites nations stood for 430 years before the fullness of their sins.

Bull, because the Kingdom of Israel stood for over 200 years before the Assyrians took them and forever removed their Hebrew identity.

The Kingdom of Judea stood for 377 years before the Babylonians took them captive.

The Kingdom of the Hasmonean stood for 77 years before they fell under Roman rule and the Edomite Herod the Great was raised as their king.

The Nation of Israel has stood for approximately 64 years now.

And that changes my point how?  God told them He would punish them for their sin.  He did it.  He told them He would regather them, never to be dispersed again, He has.  You won't even admit the evidence of your own senses so what is anyone else supposed to do to change your bigotry?  Hate who you will but don't think it's with impunity.

[B Jenkins]

and then, on 15 August 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

And that changes my point how?  God told them He would punish them for their sin.  He did it.  He told them He would regather them, never to be dispersed again, He has.  You won't even admit the evidence of your own senses so what is anyone else supposed to do to change your bigotry?  Hate who you will but don't think it's with impunity.

Call it what you will. It is not hate, the only bigotry I have is towards the western bigotry the Palestinians suffer and how Israeli propaganda machine has succeeded in lulling western minds into sleep, into complacency and indifference. Turn about is fairplay, you are a bigot against the Palestinians. How about that? I dont believe you have a beating pulse towards any Palestinian, your heart is dead towards them, your heart is stone.

But what if your mother lived in the Gaza Strip, or lived in the West Bank, or in a refugee camp? Or was one of Israel's internally displaced? What if that was your father? What if that was your brothers and sisters? What that was your children? Do you realize how hopeless you'd be to help any of them due to the discriminatory laws of Israel and the occupation? Absolutely powerless. I want to change that for the Palestinians. Because they could be my mother, my father, my siblings.

Edited by dside, 15 August 2012 - 11:58 PM.