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Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:16 PM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 28 August 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

how about the Water Ape amendment?

eh?

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:07 PM

http://en.wikipedia...._ape_hypothesis


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:15 PM

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I often say reading is good. That article does not suggest the hypothesis is TRUE, I mean - its just a hypothesis after all, and the same article also has some good debunks in it


Ellen White describes Morgan's work as failing to be empirical, not addressing evidence that contradicts the hypothesis, relying on comparative anatomy rather than selection pressure, not predicting any new evidence and failing to address its own shortcomings. White stated that while the hypothesis had the scientific characteristics of explanatory power and public debate, the only reason it has received any actual scholarly attention is due to its public appeal, ultimately concluding the AAH was unscientific.[41] Others have similarly noted the AAH "is more an exercise in comparative anatomy than a theory supported by data."[42]


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The AAH has received little serious attention or acceptance from mainstream paleoanthropologists, has been met with significant skepticism[49][50] and is not considered a strong scientific hypothesis.[15][42] The AAH does not appear to have passed the peer review process, and despite Morgan being praised by various scholars, none of her work has appeared in any academic journals of anthropology or related disciplines.[41]

The AAH is thought by some anthropologists to be accepted readily by popular audiences, students and non-specialist scholars because of its simplicity.[3] In 1987 a symposium was held in Valkenburg, the Netherlands, titled "Aquatic Ape: Fact or fiction?", which published its proceedings in 1991.[12] A review of Morgan's book The Scars of Evolution stated that it did not address the central questions of anthropology – how the human and chimpanzee gene lines diverged – which was why it was ignored by the scholarly community. The review also stated that Morgan ignored the fossil record and skirted the absence of evidence that australopithecine underwent any adaptations to water, making the hypothesis impossible to validate from fossils.[39]


and lots more to be found by reading the entire page   :tu:

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:20 PM

We could have evolved in space too  :yes:

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"Now, this is all very interesting, but it's easy to come up with any old just-so story to "explain" any set of features you choose. Last week the aquatic ape idea was gently lampooned by the hypothesis that humans evolved in space (see Kate Wong's summary).

Evidence included the benefits of zero gravity (which is why we all suffer from back-ache), why we mate face-to-face (because otherwise our jet packs would get in the way) and so on. The space ape idea is deliberately ridiculous – but no more so than the aquatic ape scheme, the reason being that there is absolutely no evidence for either. Apart from the methodological flaws inherent in such cocktail-party theorising, the aquatic ape idea is plagued by several other problems.

http://www.theguardi...ism-evolution   :lol:



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:26 PM

We should not deny however a few characteristics we have and that are specific only to water mammals. Nothing else explains how we evolved from 4 legged walking to only 2 and modifications of the pelvis which normally defies evolution and it creates a lot of health troubles with aging.

In the same time we are the only species on earth (land) capable of holding breath for so long, we still have a reminiscence of a membrane between fingers. Discovery have also made a documentary on the Aquatic Ape theory and evolution in parelel adding the mermaid subject in discussion as a very potential reality.

here are some more resemblances  between humans and water mammals

fat pulls away with the skin (blubber)
muscle force and bones adaptation to walk straight but   biped walk is less agile, activity in which the body titus on the edge of catastrophe. reshaping the pelvis and the skull to adjust to walking straight.

Every naked animal is semi or fully aquatic
All animals accumulating fat are semi or fully aquatic (as insulation)
Other mammals cannot hold their breath
Human vagina is deep and Hymen is existing only to aquatic mammals as to protect water entrance.
Nostrils are facing down instead of Up as to protect from water to come in.
Babies love water, mothers having no issues giving birth under water.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:33 PM

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We should not deny however a few characteristics we have and that are specific only to water mammals. Nothing else explains how we evolved from 4 legged walking to only 2 and modifications of the pelvis which normally defies evolution and it creates a lot of health troubles with aging.

In the same time we are the only species on earth (land) capable of holding breath for so long, we still have a reminiscence of a membrane between fingers. Discovery have also made a documentary on the Aquatic Ape theory and evolution in parelel adding the mermaid subject in discussion as a very potential reality.


Its all nonsense, trust me it is.

Now we are getting away from the OP subject. You could post your questions on the evolution side of the forums. But why not read my other thread, its not long and has some good info about genetic deviations

Get started with a vid, the Humanzee, an ape that walks on 2 legs, is bald, and smokes cigars. (Thats after of course he finishes reading the papers). :lol:

https://www.youtube....h?v=-C6NkRUbI38


Then have a read if you want

http://www.unexplain...opic=253504&hl=

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:49 PM

I cannot deny anything as long there are indications of otherwise ...The water ape evolution if true can also apply on other planets explaining radical fast evolutions from animals to smart predators.
The entire universe is driven by identical moving motors and factors, the only problem is our way of interpreting them or measure by using numerous tools and constants that are not fully understood or their little factors physically explained like the Carbon dating with izotop method.

an interesting article regarding the carbon dating;

In principle, any material of plant or animal origin, including textiles, wood, bones and leather, can be dated by its content of carbon 14, a radioactive form of carbon in the environment that is incorporated by all living things. Because it is radioactive, carbon 14 steadily decays into other substances. But when a plant or animal dies, it can no longer accumulate fresh carbon 14, and the supply in the organism at the time of death is gradually depleted.
Since the rate of depletion has been accurately determined (half of any given amount of carbon 14 decays in 5,730 years), scientists can calculate the time elapsed since something died from its residual carbon 14.
Dating Subject to Error
But scientists have long recognized that carbon dating is subject to error because of a variety of factors, including contamination by outside sources of carbon. Therefore they have sought ways to calibrate and correct the carbon dating method. The best gauge they have found is dendrochronology: the measurement of age by tree rings.
Accurate tree ring records of age are available for a period extending 9,000 years into the past. But the tree ring record goes no further, so scientists have sought other indicators of age against which carbon dates can be compared. One such indicator is the uranium-thorium dating method used by the Lamont-Doherty group.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:57 PM

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I cannot deny anything as long there are indications of otherwise ...The water ape evolution if true can also apply on other planets explaining radical fast evolutions from animals to smart predators.
The entire universe is driven by identical moving motors and factors, the only problem is our way of interpreting them or measure by using numerous tools and constants that are not fully understood or their little factors physically explained like the Carbon dating with izotop method.

an interesting article regarding the carbon dating;

In principle, any material of plant or animal origin, including textiles, wood, bones and leather, can be dated by its content of carbon 14, a radioactive form of carbon in the environment that is incorporated by all living things. Because it is radioactive, carbon 14 steadily decays into other substances. But when a plant or animal dies, it can no longer accumulate fresh carbon 14, and the supply in the organism at the time of death is gradually depleted.
Since the rate of depletion has been accurately determined (half of any given amount of carbon 14 decays in 5,730 years), scientists can calculate the time elapsed since something died from its residual carbon 14.
Dating Subject to Error
But scientists have long recognized that carbon dating is subject to error because of a variety of factors, including contamination by outside sources of carbon. Therefore they have sought ways to calibrate and correct the carbon dating method. The best gauge they have found is dendrochronology: the measurement of age by tree rings.
Accurate tree ring records of age are available for a period extending 9,000 years into the past. But the tree ring record goes no further, so scientists have sought other indicators of age against which carbon dates can be compared. One such indicator is the uranium-thorium dating method used by the Lamont-Doherty group.


F-FWD this vid to 30 secs, and watch and listen well. A very short vid, but raises some interesting things to think about - on evolution elsewhere



And the text and longer explanation, 2 pages

http://www.scientifi...-t-look-like-us



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Edited by seeder, 28 August 2013 - 10:01 PM.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:05 PM

....I like his plushie

I've seen **** that'll turn you WHITE!


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:18 PM

View Postpallidin, on 28 August 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

Rest assured that NASA photo's are scrutinized by experts before being released to the public.

If there was anything of "ET Interest" the photo's would not have been shown.

You think government employs actually do their jobs?


hahahahahahaha good one


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:21 PM

View Postseeder, on 28 August 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

F-FWD this vid to 30 secs, and watch and listen well. A very short vid, but raises some interesting things to think about - on evolution elsewhere



And the text and longer explanation, 2 pages

http://www.scientifi...-t-look-like-us



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Seeder I have to wonder if "YOU" are Michael Shermer, and not just a follower of his. His video on evolution is pure garbage, not science, just razzle dazzle for dumb people.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostCodemonger, on 28 August 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

Seeder I have to wonder if "YOU" are Michael Shermer, and not just a follower of his. His video on evolution is pure garbage, not science, just razzle dazzle for dumb people.

why not give me your version to scrutinise and consider then?  If not, then simmer down

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:42 PM

Go to 4:10 or so on this video, he does his same mumbo jumbo and it looks like one of the guests tries to interact/discuss it with him, but he rudely keeps yapping on with his canned responses. Stanton Friedman was correct in saying, we don't know ... I believe there is more where Michael Sherman is asked for proof or he is questioned and he continues on with his plastic looking smirk and not responding to evade questions. Sorry Seeder, I just find this person just puts on a show or an act for his cause, which can be cute to watch but unfortunately not factual.

I don't need to give you my version, I'm willfully scrutinizing his, he presented it, and so did you.




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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:44 PM

View PostCodemonger, on 28 August 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

I don't need to give you my version, I'm willfully scrutinizing his, he presented it, and so did you.


Oh but you do. But lets do it another way for you. You can simply tell me why his theory or view is wrong. According to you and your experiences and learnings of course.  Come on,  cards on the table time.

Also answer me this. If the dinos had never existed, would man have evolved as he did, in the time frame too?


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Edited by seeder, 29 August 2013 - 12:04 AM.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 11:52 PM

There are also other ways to look at what he is suggesting. If we are the only unique species on the planet, bipedal and intelligent, then we are the only dataset to go by. Given this information we can only currently assume any intelligent life in the universe would be similar to us not the opposite.





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