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[Yamato]

Thank you for nailing it once again, Julie.  It's good to see a thoughtful citizen offering suggestions that can actually prevent the next Sandy Hook and Columbine by putting the responsibility where it belongs and understanding why these tragedies occur.

Sandy Hook isn't the fault of legal gun owners.   It's the fault of the murderer.  Period.   And as with any crime, understanding the mindset and the motives of the murderer criminal will help us prevent the next tragedy.   But knowing this isn't a reason for people to get their politically motivated legislation passed that's irrelevant to preventing the crime anymore than it's a reason to popularize another unpopular madman.   My fellow Americans, stop giving madmen what they want.   Stop infringing on the rights of the upright and the innocent to fight back.

Edited by Yamato, 08 January 2013 - 01:08 AM.

[Kasey2601]

If I thought doing what you claim might do some good, I'd support it. But I have serious doubts.

[Yamato]

Lady Kasey, on 08 January 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

If I thought doing what you claim might do some good, I'd support it. But I have serious doubts.

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[AquilaChrysaetos]

[docyabut2]

No guns do not kill people its the people behind the guns that kill people, I`d say open up the mental hospitals again  where when someone feels someone not seriously talking or acting right can just call and have them commited on the spot, not just doctors giving people drugs and hope that sloves the problem.I think the Sandy hook`s mother was trying to have her son commited but was having a hard time of it.

Edited by docyabut2, 08 January 2013 - 02:33 AM.

[Yamato]

docyabut2, on 08 January 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

No guns do not kill people its the people behind the guns that kill people, I`d say open up the mental hospitals again  where when someone feels someone not seriously talking or acting right can just call and have them commited on the spot, not just doctors giving people drugs and hope that sloves the problem.I think the Sandy hook`s mother was trying to have her son commited but was having a hard time of it.

And this is the where the debate belongs, not over irrelevant arguments legislating around the gun with even more resource-wasting line-drawing and hoop-jumping for lawful citizens to pay for.

Doctors are the experts here, not police.   It's not the job of law enforcement to replace the psychologist.   A doctor already has the professional duty to have someone committed if they feel they are a threat to society or themselves.  

Whatever reasons made that mother have a hard time of it, Washington DC initiatives to close mental health resources down, while blabbering about our guns instead, got it wrong on both fronts, as usual.

[AquilaChrysaetos]

I'm gonna sound like a serious hippie, but the only way I can see all this turning around is for people to have more love in there hearts for one another. All these crimes start by having apathetical feelings toward people. Then you add anger for all the pain you go through due to others having apathy toward you. Anger and apathy is the definition of hate. All this won't happen if we don't start caring about each other first of all, and then teach kids to love one another. It's an impossibility I know, but it's still true.

[acidhead]

AquilaChrysaetos, on 08 January 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

I'm gonna sound like a serious hippie, but the only way I can see all this turning around is for people to have more love in there hearts for one another. All these crimes start by having apathetical feelings toward people. Then you add anger for all the pain you go through due to others having apathy toward you. Anger and apathy is the definition of hate. All this won't happen if we don't start caring about each other first of all, and then teach kids to love one another. It's an impossibility I know, but it's still true.

If the drug companies stopped giving SSRI's out like it's candy than perhaps these wacked out zombies will show some apathy.  Ever wonder why these mass shootings didn't happen over 30 years ago?  There is definitely a connection.  This cannot be denied any longer.

Edited by acidhead, 08 January 2013 - 04:04 AM.

[DieChecker]

Yamato, on 08 January 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

Thank you for nailing it once again, Julie.

I like Her. I don't always agree with her, but she makes a good video.

Yamato, on 08 January 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

And this is the where the debate belongs, not over irrelevant arguments legislating around the gun with even more resource-wasting line-drawing and hoop-jumping for lawful citizens to pay for.

But, it is so much more knee-jerk to treat a symptom then to treat the actual injury/problem. Plus, if if we were to confront the actual issue, it would require a lot of digging in the Mud of Society as to why so many people are Have-Nots and why they are Kept there. And why violence and crime happen, and sometimes involve guns.

[RavenHawk]

Yamato, on 08 January 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

Thank you for nailing it once again, Julie.

Reason 1 why they are loners is the school system.  This is what happens when you care more about being PC by not telling the student they are wrong.  School is for instruction which also includes correction.  They don’t build self confidence by not failing.  And by not failing, they cannot excel in individual achievement.

Edited by RavenHawk, 08 January 2013 - 05:01 AM.

[RavenHawk]

docyabut2, on 08 January 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

No guns do not kill people its the people behind the guns that kill people, I`d say open up the mental hospitals again  where when someone feels someone not seriously talking or acting right can just call and have them commited on the spot, not just doctors giving people drugs and hope that sloves the problem.I think the Sandy hook`s mother was trying to have her son commited but was having a hard time of it.

We should be careful here.  If we start committing everyone that doesn’t act right, we would all be institutionalized.

[RavenHawk]

AquilaChrysaetos, on 08 January 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

I'm gonna sound like a serious hippie, but the only way I can see all this turning around is for people to have more love in there hearts for one another. All these crimes start by having apathetical feelings toward people. Then you add anger for all the pain you go through due to others having apathy toward you. Anger and apathy is the definition of hate. All this won't happen if we don't start caring about each other first of all, and then teach kids to love one another. It's an impossibility I know, but it's still true.

Reason 2 why they are loners is the government system.  This is turning into a nanny state and when you are nannyied, you are spoiled because you feel entitled.  And that creates a lack of caring and instills Ignorance and Apathy.

Many years ago in sunday school we learned the JOY acronym.  You are taught that to be truly happy in life, you must first love (J)esus, then love (O)thers, then (Y)ourself.  But I think this is backwards because if you do not love (self interested) yourself first then how can you love others and if you do not love others, then how can you love Jesus?  Jesus says to love one another as yourself.  It doesn’t say to deny yourself for others.  This is what the collective tells you – to deny yourself for the good of the whole.  Without nourishing the individual, let alone put it first, we lose direction and balance.

[Yamato]

RavenHawk, on 08 January 2013 - 05:01 AM, said:

Reason 1 why they are loners is the school system.  This is what happens when you care more about being PC by not telling the student they are wrong.  School is for instruction which also includes correction.  They don’t build self confidence by not failing.  And by not failing, they cannot excel in individual achievement.

A smooth sea never made a skillful sailor.

[Gummug]

I'm hoping this is relevant to the topic at hand:
http://www.naturalne...Adam_Lanza.html

[lightly]

I'd say it's very relevant Gummug.       One factor that never gets mentioned is that we are taught from our youth that violence and killing are perfectly acceptable... for the "right" reasons.
  I think that attitude makes it a smaller step to kill for the wrong reasons.