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#16    zoser

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:15 AM

A look at the Serapeum boxes.  Only a short clip and apologies for the music:



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:21 AM

Oh...my....God.

Now we have 3 threads about exactly the same topic, LOL !!

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:23 AM

View Postawest, on 28 March 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Unfortunately, I am no expert on things like this, but I have witnessed a 5-ton rock lifted and put in place with nothing but a pulley system and a few people walking in a giant wheel. The innovation of some people back then was astounding to say the least and to outright deny people were capable of it because you or I can't do it is negligent as a researcher. Going at a problem with an end result in mind is not a good way to do research, that goes for people on both sides of the argument however, it is best to look at all the potential evidence and see where the evidence leads. Unfortunately second hand evidence that someone else has already drawn an opinion on is not good evidence, and I assume none of us have the experience or skills to do the research ourselves, so pretty much any argument would simply be conjecture. Either way some of it is intresting.

I would like to hear your comments on the precision some time and try and stay with this one aspect for now.

Since you mention the hauling, I'm by no means convinced that this was done by explainable means.

5 tonnes is nothing when considering the megaliths at Sacsayhuman for example many of which weighed up to 20 times more.  More people makes the job more complex not easier.

So combining the impossible weight with the precision you need to think how this was done.

If the stone was soft and moulded it could have been positioned in one attempt.

If not then the stone would have had to have been positioned, removed (completely), pounded, and re-positioned hundreds of times to achieve the precision.

Just not feasible.

Here is the Sacsayhuman site:

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View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

Oh...my....God.

Now we have 3 threads about exactly the same topic, LOL !!

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No two.

One on the UFO thread and this.  The theme of this thread is quite specific and it is where it should be.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:25 AM

View Postmcrom901, on 28 March 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

and who are the experts who are going to review the 'data', yourself?

translation: i will ignore all presented info and continue to spam away with pics i have no idea how to explain?

in other words, nothing independently verified by experts aka bs?

It's a public forum where people are free to debate ideas relating to unexplained ancient mysteries.

It's not a site where people submit papers for approval to a professional committee.

Are you on the correct forum?

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:27 AM

View Postzoser, on 28 March 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

No two.

One on the UFO thread and this.  The theme of this thread is quite specific and it is where it should be.

Three: this one, plus:

677 pages
http://www.unexplain...owtopic=237842

31 pages and continuing
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=244935

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 March 2013 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:36 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Three: this one, plus:

677 pages
http://www.unexplain...owtopic=237842

31 pages and continuing
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=244935

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The original thread was closed down.

The idea of this thread is to assemble the best evidence from that thread as well as further the points where possible.

See OP.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:38 AM

View Postzoser, on 28 March 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

Starting with the idea of precision in terms of ancient stonework.  There is much to be discussed and studied with this one aspect alone.

Here are a selection of samples:

From the Coricancha wall in Peru.  Remember some of this work is precision fitting in three dimensions:

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To polygonal walls in Ollyantaytambo, Cuzco and Sacsayhuaman:

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The premise being that primitive man (and I use that word deliberately since there is no evidence that say Inca or Aymara indians were able to achieve such things), had not the physical means to do this.  The evidence suggests that the primitive people at the time did not even possess knowledge of the wheel!

This theme will be continued in the next few posts.

To conclude this post here is an example from the Great Pyramid:

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This is not necessarily proof of extra-terrestrials.
It can also be a testament that the ancients were more advanced in terms of technology and or physical strength. Maybe also a proof for some form/sort of Giants.
You can only project this as evidence for extra-terrestrials if you accept the mainstream assertion that they were primitive people who did not know how to use a wheel,lol.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:42 AM

When you look at the vast engineering acheivements humans have built over time a couple of key things stand out. We can assess our present and future engineering planning to understand better our ancient past.

Most modern high level precision or gand scale engineering is committed to fundamental aspects of life such as protection, transport, religous/cultural motive, civic value, military, resources etc. Some examples would be the Hoover dam, railroads, NASA space exploration, nuclear facilities, the vatican or architectural structures designed to withstand earthquakes. These engineering structures are built for neccessity, require sizable teams of people, incredibly rigoress planning, testing and implementation. We don't question if Rome was built by aliens because we have a fairly good understanding of the development and planning process in ancient Rome. Sites in South America have less remaining evidence of the planning process so naturally those megaliths are more open to interpretation as to how and why they were built.

What you rarely see with ancient structures like the pyramids or walls in peru is the planning process. Conversations, meetings, drawings, calculations, testing, procedure. Its a little niave to judge them as they are now imagining 'primitive' like people carving stone. But looking at how we plan things in modern times, in a very systematic way, we can easily imagine that an awful lot of human thought went into these structures. The key element we have had going for us for a very long time is language and planning.

The curve of human evolution is fairly simple and logical. We started out using extremely large stone blocks because they worked and because at the time stone was the primary construction method. Smaller blocks were used over time because more efficient ways of construction were utilized and because engineering neccessitated different approaches in response to changing social, technological and cultural constructs. Had people gone from straw huts to LCD displays overnight it would be more suspicous but mastering stone masonry 4000 years ago, to the level they did in context to expanding populations and technology, is an expected result. Everyone was using stone...eventually people were garaunteed to become extremely proficient at using stone.

Ancient Egypt was a hotspot of trade and religous activity close to some of the largest. most powerful and wealthiest populations of its time. Today we see the same thing in places like New York, Shanghai or Dubai. Capital drives construction acheivement now just as it did in the past. After considerable earthquakes, or wars, demolishing older structures its not hard to understand how eventually a population of people will communicate together and solve the problems of building structures to be more resilient. The effort required to produce such exceptional blocks, joints and precision has a fundamental reason behind it born out of a rigoress and ingenius planning process (one that also doesnt involve hindering development beaurocracy and laws such as today!).

All of the ancient construction wonders have impressive articulation because they have impressive functional value. The same is true today.

Edited by Dragonwind, 28 March 2013 - 10:07 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 28 March 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

This is not necessarily proof of extra-terrestrials.
It can also be a testament that the ancients were more advanced in terms of technology and or physical strength. Maybe also a proof for some form/sort of Giants.
You can only project this as evidence for extra-terrestrials if you accept the mainstream assertion that they were primitive people who did not know how to use a wheel,lol.

Agreed.  As I suggested in post 7:

http://www.unexplain...6

It's the weight of evidence across the entire thread that will be the telling thing.

Some things to consider in your argument of primitive man wielding high technology:

How did it arise and where did it go?

How did it cross continents?

Try that for now.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:43 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Three: this one, plus:

677 pages
http://www.unexplain...owtopic=237842

31 pages and continuing
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=244935

.

Yes there have been a lot of threads about PumaPunku and.. Rocks!


this one

http://www.unexplain...u

and this

http://www.unexplain...u

and this

http://www.unexplain...u

and finally

http://www.unexplain... pumapunku&st=0

I would like to recommend everyone of this thread at least skim read some of the above links...one or 2 of them do have some interesting posts and angles. For me however, having read ALL the historic posts from end to end....no proof of aliens has ever been confirmed. Anyway, this is as far as my input on this thread goes. Have Fun!  (I will check by in a couple of weeks just to read the frustrated enraged responses)..hehe



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Edited by seeder, 28 March 2013 - 09:54 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:44 AM

Also there are mainstreamers who suggest that the ancients used a mixture of organic acids to literally liquefy the stones,that is why the edges fit so great.The theory suggests that the Ancients used to utilise the inherent mineral composition of these stones to make solvents that would melt the rocks wherever it was applied.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:44 AM

View Postzoser, on 28 March 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

It's a public forum where people are free to debate ideas relating to unexplained ancient mysteries.

It's not a site where people submit papers for approval to a professional committee.

Are you on the correct forum?

so asking you to provide independently verified evidence is not the norm? in other words you can spew speculations as facts and make uneducated claims against mainstream orthodoxy as you wish? and if anybody questions your fallacies is on the wrong forum? are you here to debate using logic and the scientific method or you just looking for confirmation of your beliefs? not that it matters, but fortunately you can spam away to your heart's delight... you're in the right place, but it doesn't work like that everywhere... http://cosmoquest.or...-posting-in-ATM meh

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:48 AM

View PostDragonwind, on 28 March 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

When you look at the vast engineering acheivements humans have built over time a couple of key things stand out. We can assess our present and future engineering planning to understand better our ancient past.

Most modern high level precision or gand scale engineering is committed to fundamental aspects of life such as protection, transport, religous/cultural motive, civic value, military, resources etc. Some examples would be the Hoover dam, railroads, NASA space exploration, nuclear facilities. Vatican or architectural structures designed to withstand earthquakes. These engineering structures are built for neccessity, require sizable teams of people, incredibly rigoress planning, testing and implementation.

What you rarely see with ancient structures like the pyramids or walls in peru is the planning process. Its a little niave to judge them as they are now imagining 'primitive' like people carving stone. But looking at how we plan things in modern times, in a very systematic way, we can easily imagine that an awful lot of human thought went into these structures. The key element we have had going for us for a very long time is language and planning.

The curve of human evolution is fairly simple and logical. We started out using extremely large stone blocks because they worked and because at the time stone was the primary construction method. Smaller blocks were used over time because more efficient ways of construction were utilized and because engineering neccessitated different approaches.

Ancient Egypt was a hotspot of trade and religous activity close to some of the largest. most powerful and wealthiest populations of its time. Today we see the same thing in New York, Shanghai and Dubai. Capital drives construction acheivement. After considerable earthquakes, or wars, demolishing older structures its not hard to understand how eventually a population of people will communicate together and solve the problems of building structures to be more resilient. The effort required to produce such exceptional blocks, joints and precision has a fundamental reason behind it born out of a rigoress and ingenius planning process (one that also doesnt involve hindering development beaurocracy and laws such as today!).

All of the ancient construction wonders have impressive articulation because they have impressive functional value. The same is true today.
Your reasoning is a little incorrect. I would say that if the Ancients were very primitive and had lesser means the method of least resistance would have been to use smaller stones to build their structures and as they progressed more they would have utilised larger chunks.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:51 AM

View Postmcrom901, on 28 March 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

so asking you to provide independently verified evidence is not the norm? in other words you can spew speculations as facts and make uneducated claims against mainstream orthodoxy as you wish? and if anybody questions your fallacies is on the wrong forum? are you here to debate using logic and the scientific method or you just looking for confirmation of your beliefs? not that it matters, but fortunately you can spam away to your heart's delight... you're in the right place, but it doesn't work like that everywhere... http://cosmoquest.or...-posting-in-ATM meh
If all the fringe theories were peer reviewed then we wouldn't be debating them. In most cases the people who propound these theories are not against submitting their observations or theories for peer review,but it is the mainstream monopoly club that doesn't even admit these studies for further peer review.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:55 AM

View PostHarsh86_Patel, on 28 March 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

If all the fringe theories were peer reviewed then we wouldn't be debating them. In most cases the people who propound these theories are not against submitting their observations or theories for peer review,but it is the mainstream monopoly club that doesn't even admit these studies for further peer review.

have you seen any independently published paper which seemed sound?





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