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why has "God" done nothing in 2k years?


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#16    Almagest

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:12 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 27 August 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

In some ways God is a lot like Sasquatch or the Loch Ness Monster -- has numbers of devoted believers who jump on any straw to believe.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 27 August 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

In some ways God is a lot like Sasquatch or the Loch Ness Monster -- has numbers of devoted believers who jump on any straw to believe.
Or Karma, Nirvana, or Noble Truths?

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:07 PM

God is on a two-week holiday, except his week lasts 1000 years for us. :innocent:

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:08 PM

View PostGomar, on 27 August 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

Here is a question I pose: Why hasnt "God" performed any miracles in the last 2000 years... since supposedly resurrecting Jesus?
Why is everything in the Bible ancient, thousands of years ago, and nothing new has gone on.
Now, yes, the Bible itself (Torah) was written thousands of years ago, and no amendments have been made; it's not the U.S. constitution after all.  However, if "God" wants to prove to the disbelievers, the atheists, the scientists who laugh at the 6 day creation, miracles, Adam&Eve, etc. and believe in evolution, then why not just perform some awesome miracle unexplained by science.

How about turning the Sun green, or making all nuclear weapons disappear(poof all gone!), or curing all who have cancer, AIDS, Down Syndrome;
Make my mother-in-law disappear; reveal where Jimmy Hoffa and Emilia Earnhardt are, who shot JR, etc.

Or, "God" could just send a messiah to fix the world, end all misery, warfare, and all humans will live in peace.

"God" where are you?

It's an interesting question.

According to scripture, did God ever perform miracles for those who were not "God's people" (i.e. the Israelites, Jews)? With the exception of the miracles allegedly performed by Jesus, which can be excepted as Jesus is also alleged to be God, I can't think of any?

Which leads to the question, perhaps there are no more of "God's people" on Earth? This might present a problem for the believers in that God, but this can also be rationalised through the "end times" scenario having already been played out and those 'believers' are actually living in a hell of their own self-delusion.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:36 PM

Sometimes you have to watch your Sims family for awhile just to see what they'll do with free will.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:48 PM

View PostParanoid Android said:

Or Karma, Nirvana, or Noble Truths?
I dunno; I suspect these are more like teachings than like the existence of some entity, so it depends on whether the teachings holds up to reason or no, not up to miracles and wonders and other myths.


#22    Frank Merton

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 06:04 PM

View PostParanoid Android, on 27 August 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

Or Karma, Nirvana, or Noble Truths?
Another thought comes to me -- your point is "tu quoque."  I realize that half the arguments we see on this board are one logical fallacy or another, but maybe it doesn't hurt to point them out.


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 08:25 PM

Have you ever seen a newborn baby? Have you ever seen a sunrise? You need more "miracles" than those?


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:49 PM

View Postflbrnt, on 27 August 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

Have you ever seen a newborn baby? Have you ever seen a sunrise? You need more "miracles" than those?

Yes, I do, just to prove God does exist.
How about a cow giving birth to a human, or a human to a penguin?
Or God making apes at the zoo suddenly be able to talk?  Now that would be prove positive of an existence of an all-mighty creator who can do anything with his creation.

Acts of nature do not prove anything.
People surviving plane or car crashes just proves that _some_ did get lucky while others did not.  Just like winning the PB or MM lottery; proves you got lucky... if I win tonight's MM $69m then I am a believer in miracles.

Edited by Gomar, 27 August 2013 - 11:53 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:00 AM

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In some ways God is a lot like Sasquatch or the Loch Ness Monster

No, there is a lot more evidence for Sasquatch... just saying :)


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:55 AM

Easy, it's still "the seventh day" as far as God's concerned, so he's pottering around his garden, thinking about going down the pub and wondering about the cricket scores.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:01 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 27 August 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

show me a single place in the Bible where God performs a miracle for the sole purpose of proving that he exists.

I would argue that the Trinitarian God did this when He incarnated as Jesus, that whosever lives and believes in me shall never die.

That said, there have been many alleged apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary, several had eye-witnesses in the thousands, in the 20th century. Not sure what that proves though as all kinds of explanations can be made. I find them tantalizing though.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:02 AM

View Postflbrnt, on 27 August 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

Have you ever seen a newborn baby? Have you ever seen a sunrise? You need more "miracles" than those?
Sorry but I know how a baby happens and how a sunrise happens. That sort of primitive emotional naiveté, though, is kinda cute.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:04 AM

View Postredhen, on 28 August 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

I would argue that the Trinitarian God did this when He incarnated as Jesus, that whosever lives and believes in me shall never die.

That said, there have been many alleged apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary, several had eye-witnesses in the thousands, in the 20th century. Not sure what that proves though as all kinds of explanations can be made. I find them tantalizing though.
I don't think its very fair of the Trinitarian God to not give everlasting life to everyone He has created, and instead to expect belief on such flimsy and mythical evidence.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:00 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 27 August 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

It's an interesting question.

According to scripture, did God ever perform miracles for those who were not "God's people" (i.e. the Israelites, Jews)? With the exception of the miracles allegedly performed by Jesus, which can be excepted as Jesus is also alleged to be God, I can't think of any?

Which leads to the question, perhaps there are no more of "God's people" on Earth? This might present a problem for the believers in that God, but this can also be rationalised through the "end times" scenario having already been played out and those 'believers' are actually living in a hell of their own self-delusion.
Definitely an interesting question. I don't know if it counts but Aaron (brother of Moses) turned his staff into a snake to show the Egyptians the power of God and when the Egyptian magicians duplicated his trick his snake ate all their snakes. And of course the ten plagues, but maybe that's not what you meant.





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