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#31    Mekorig

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:29 PM

The things is Hasina, most people how are in favour of weapon regulation (not ban) will agree with you about your concern of house segurity. Heck, over the years i have know a lot of USA people how are pro-regulation and have firearms. What this people find reasonable is to have a revolver or a semi-auto handgun for house segurity or rifles/shotguns for hunting/sport, not a fricking military armory enough to equip a smal militia with semi-auto and fully-auto rifles and heavier stuff.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Good point Mekorig. That gives me a question: what use, other then protection against the 'tyranny of the government', do semi and fully auto rifles have in the civilian life? Same with high capacity magazines.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:34 PM

View PostMekorig, on 10 January 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

The things is Hasina, most people how are in favour of weapon regulation (not ban) will agree with you about your concern of house segurity. Heck, over the years i have know a lot of USA people how are pro-regulation and have firearms. What this people find reasonable is to have a revolver or a semi-auto handgun for house segurity or rifles/shotguns for hunting/sport, not a fricking military armory enough to equip a smal militia with semi-auto and fully-auto rifles and heavier stuff.
What concern is it of yours if I want to own enough fire power for a small militia?  What concern is it of the Governments?  If I am breaking the law otherwise, it might be.   But just the mere fact that one possesses a large amount of fire power and ammunition does not make them a criminal....and that is exactly what the Government Plan is...to make that criminal.  The Constitution doesn't limit the amount of arms one can have...only that the right to possess them shall not be infringed.  The Government is now trying to INFRINGE....that is the whole problem...it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL....and if you want to change the Constitution, there is a way to do that constitutionally...if you want to scrap the Constitution...Welcome To the New Age for real!

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:45 PM

View PostHasina, on 10 January 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Good point Mekorig. That gives me a question: what use, other then protection against the 'tyranny of the government', do semi and fully auto rifles have in the civilian life? Same with high capacity magazines.

The lady in Georgia, that saved herself and her two children, shot the guy five times and he still wasn't dead. Most home invasions are done by two to three people and if he had had anyone with him, that was as determined to hurt them as he was, she wouldn't have had a prayer.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostMichelle, on 10 January 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:



The lady in Georgia, that saved herself and her two children, shot the guy five times and he still wasn't dead. Most home invasions are done by two to three people and if he had had anyone with him, that was as determined to hurt them as he was, she wouldn't have had a prayer.
The high capacity magazines that go with the rifles, I should've specified... -embarrassed-

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:49 PM

View PostMichelle, on 10 January 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

The lady in Georgia, that saved herself and her two children, shot the guy five times and he still wasn't dead. Most home invasions are done by two to three people and if he had had anyone with him, that was as determined to hurt them as he was, she wouldn't have had a prayer.

Unless she did the sensible thing: practice every now and then. She would hardly have needed 5 slugs per goon.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

View Postjoc, on 10 January 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

What concern is it of yours if I want to own enough fire power for a small militia?  What concern is it of the Governments?  If I am breaking the law otherwise, it might be.   But just the mere fact that one possesses a large amount of fire power and ammunition does not make them a criminal....and that is exactly what the Government Plan is...to make that criminal.  The Constitution doesn't limit the amount of arms one can have...only that the right to possess them shall not be infringed.  The Government is now trying to INFRINGE....that is the whole problem...it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL....and if you want to change the Constitution, there is a way to do that constitutionally...if you want to scrap the Constitution...Welcome To the New Age for real!

Yeah, I don't get that either. How many is considered too many...two...five...ten? You only have two hands and you can't carry the whole arsenal with you to use on a whim. Unless you are planning on holing up in your house and having a shootout with police what good or bad would more than that do?


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

View PostMichelle, on 10 January 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:



Yeah, I don't get that either. How many is considered too many...two...five...ten? You only have two hands and you can't carry the whole arsenal with you to use on a whim. Unless you are planning on holing up in your house and having a shootout with police what good or bad would more than that do?
And don't we have to *gasp* register our guns?! So it's not like the government doesn't already know who to target.

I see both a sides kind of and neither's fully right or wrong.

As I've stated before, criminals will always break laws, law abiding citizens won't.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

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Unless she did the sensible thing: practice every now and then. She would hardly have needed 5 slugs per goon.

This only supports less gun control. I imagine the gun wasnt locked up. But certainly dont have the facts on that detail.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:05 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 10 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Unless she did the sensible thing: practice every now and then. She would hardly have needed 5 slugs per goon.

As good as I am and as much as I practice, confronting two or three men that had just broken into my house would be a high stress scenario that would unnerve the average person.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

View PostMichelle, on 10 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

As good as I am and as much as I practice, confronting two or three men that had just broken into my house would be a high stress scenario that would unnerve the average person.
Ever seen these guys on youtube?



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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

What guys...all I can see is a blank box. :hmm:


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

View PostMichelle, on 10 January 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

What guys...all I can see is a blank box. :hmm:
Probably because you are using FireFox....

....try just pasting the url into Internet Explorer

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

View Postjoc, on 10 January 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Probably because you are using FireFox....

....try just pasting the url into Internet Explorer

I'm an idiot on the computer...can someone shoot me a link instead? :blush:


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 10 January 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:


Ever seen these guys on youtube?


I've seen Chuggaaconroy beat Bouldergesit without getting hit once in Super Mario Galaxy, doesn't mean I have the same mad skillz.





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