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[DingoLingo]

As Jim suggested in another thread.. this topic deserves its own thread..

Now while ufo's have been supposedly reported from the dawn of history.. lets just cover those from the 20th century and onwards..

(thank you wiki for the following list http://en.wikipedia....d_UFO_sightings)

The discussion is a open free for all.. if you have a particular event that is your pet favorite.. or are curious to see what others think.. if you are unsure of what the event is.. check the wiki page.. most of them have a link to get the full story.

Now I know a heck of a lot on here have been debunked (the Hills.. the norway spiral etc).. but there are believers still out there.. and also a number of these have been discussed before over the years.. but we do have a number of new people on here..

So Guys and Girls.. let the discussion begin..

And please.. let not have the I read the report etc.. thats just hearsay..

1908    Tunguska event
1909    Mystery Airships
1940s The Foo Fighters
1942    Hopeh Incident
1942    Battle of Los Angeles   
1946    The Ghost Rockets   
1946    UFO-Memorial   
1947    Maury Island incident   
1947    Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting
1947    1947 UFO sightings   
1947    Roswell UFO crash
1948    The Green Fireballs   
1948    Thomas Mantell
1948    Chiles-Whitted UFO Encounter
1948    Gorman Dogfight
1949    Frank Scully
1950    Varese Close Encounter
1950    Dr. Alexandro Botta UFO incident
1950    Mariana UFO Incident
1950    McMinnville UFO photographs
1951    Lubbock Lights   
1952    1952 Washington D.C. UFO incident
1952    Carson Sink UFO incident
1952    The Flatwoods Monster
1953    Prescott Sightings
1953    Ellsworth UFO Case   
1953    The disappearance of Felix Moncla
1953    Kelly Johnson/Santa Barbara Channel   Case Seen from Agoura, California, and from aircraft flying over Pacific Ocean   
1955    Kelly-Hopkinsville encounter
1957    Antonio Villas Boas
1957    Edwards Air Force Base UFO   
1957    Milton Torres UFO Encounter -   
1957    Ubatuba UFO Explosion   
1957    Antonio Villas Boas Abduction
1957    Levelland UFO Case
1957    Fort Itaipu UFO Invasion   
1957    Old-Saybrook UFO incident   
1958    Trindade UFO Incident
1959    Dyatlov Pass incident
1959    Father William Booth Gil sighting   
1961    Betty and Barney Hill Abduction   
1964    Lonnie Zamora incident
1964    Donald Shrum
1965    The Incident at Exeter
1965    Kecksburg UFO incident
1966    The Mothman Prophecies
1966    Michigan Swamp Gas Sighting
1966    Westall UFO
1966    Portage County UFO chase
1966    The Grinning Man
1966    Indrid Cold
1967    Betty Andreasson Abduction
1967    Falcon Lake Incident
1967    Close encounter of Cussac   
1967    Snippy the Horse Mutilation
1967    Shag Harbour UFO Crash
1967    Herbert Schirmer
1968    Buff Ledge Camp Abduction
1969    Jimmy Carter UFO incident
1970    Cowichan District Hospital UFO Incident
1973    The Judy Doraty Abduction
1973    Skylab 3 UFO Encounter
1973    The Alabama Close Encounter
1973    Pascagoula Abduction   
1973    Eglin Air Force Base Sighting
1974    Berwyn Mountain UFO
1975    Wurtsmith AFB   
1975    Travis Walton
1976    1976 Canary Isles sightings
1976    Stanford Abduction
1976    Allagash Abductions
1976    1976 Tehran UFO incident
1977    Colares UFO flap   
1978    Emilcin Abduction   
1978    Valentich Disappearance   
1978    Kaikoura lights   
1979    Val Johnson Incident
1979    Dechmont Woods Encounter
1979    Manises UFO Incident   
1980    Rendlesham-Woodbridge Incident  
1980    Cash-Landrum incident
1981    Trans-en-Provence Case   
1981    Hudson Valley Sightings   
1983    Copely Woods Encounter
1985    Whitley Strieber
1986    São Paulo UFO sighting   
1986    Japan Air Lines flight 1628   
1987    Gulf Breeze UFO incident   
1990    Belgian UFO wave
1991    STS-48 incident Space Shuttle Discovery while in orbit
1993    Kelly Cahill   
1994    Meng Zhaoguo Incident   
1995    America West Airlines Flight 564
1996    Varginha UFO incident   
1996    Westendorff UFO sighting   
1996    STS-80 incidents Space Shuttle Columbia while in orbit
1997    Phoenix Lights   
2001    NJ Turnpike/Carteret Lights  Incident
2004    2004 Mexican UFO Incident
2004    The Tinley Park Lights
2006    Chicago O'Hare UFO
2007    Charles Hall      
2007    2007 Alderney UFO sighting
2007    Kodiak Island UFO incident   
2008    Stephenville UFO,
2008    Turkey UFO Sightings
2008    Wales UFO sightings   
2008    Moscow UFO sightings   
2009    2009 Norwegian spiral anomaly Finnmark  
2010    Harbour Mille incident
2011    Jerusalem Dome of the Rock UFO incident
2011    Vancouver Washington UFO Sighting
2011    Yerevan UFO Sighting

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Are we starting from the assumption that everyone must be divided into sheep or gaots, or Believers and Skeptics?, and that if one is a Skeptic, then one must insist that there's a Rational explanation for all of these? have all these cases been Denunked satisfactorily, in the Skeptical view? You say, for instance, that Betty & Barney Rubble- er, Hill have been Debunked. What is the accepted Debunkation for that? If a Debunk has been offered, then do the the Skeptics must accept that, like religious dogma, and say "that's been put to bed then; Next!"? That's sometimes what it seems like.

[DingoLingo]

Lord Vetinari, on 02 January 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

Are we starting from the assumption that everyone must be divided into sheep or gaots, or Believers and Skeptics?, and that if one is a Skeptic, then one must insist that there's a Rational explanation for all of these? have all these cases been Denunked satisfactorily, in the Skeptical view? You say, for instance, that Betty & Barney Rubble- er, Hill have been Debunked. What is the accepted Debunkation for that? If a Debunk has been offered, then do the the Skeptics must accept that, like religious dogma, and say "that's been put to bed then; Next!"? That's sometimes what it seems like.

Pretty much.. though there are still some that have yet to be explained

Take the Hills.. their 'abduction story changed so much over a period of time.. that it ended up becoming laughable.. from what the aliens looked like.. betty said they spoke english. barney said they used telepathy.. and it goes on from there..

But there are still people that believe that they were abducted..

for me.. Foo Fighters have always perked my interest.. they have not been fully explained for me to say .. yup.. debunked or solved.. there is something about them..

[quillius]

hello Dingo,

maybe a good starting point would be for you to note next to each case listed
-solved (with a couple of words such as hoax/plane etc)
-unsolved

then we can go from there....

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

DingoLingo, on 02 January 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

Pretty much.. though there are still some that have yet to be explained

Take the Hills.. their 'abduction story changed so much over a period of time.. that it ended up becoming laughable.. from what the aliens looked like.. betty said they spoke english. barney said they used telepathy.. and it goes on from there..

But there are still people that believe that they were abducted..

Surely there might be an obvious answer there, for instance, that if one was communicating with someone then obviously one would use their language, would one not? And if they did communicate through telepathy then possibly they'd have some technique for the recipient being able to understand in their own language? Equally surely, if one had had an experience that was completely outside one's normal range of experience, then it would be difficult to find words to adequately describe it, so that what you said might sound inadequate or implausible? Regarding the appearance of the Aliens, yes, the tall blond aliens in shiny suits do sound straight out fo 50's sci fi, but that might be the only way that someone to whom this was completely outside their normal range of experience could describe it? Or perhaps even the ETs might choose to appear in particular forms to particular people or races, to avoid freaking them out too much, or perhaps they were a kind of avatar, designed to appear to them in a form that they could comprehend? I really don't know if presumed inadequacies or discrepancies in testimony are good enough reason to dismiss all such experiences with a curl of the Lip.

[DingoLingo]

quillius, on 02 January 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

hello Dingo,

maybe a good starting point would be for you to note next to each case listed
-solved (with a couple of words such as hoax/plane etc)
-unsolved

then we can go from there....

its not a bad idea quillius.. problem is.. doing that would start a whole new argument .. believers say its not debunked etc.. look at the AA thread

[DingoLingo]

Lord Vetinari, on 02 January 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

Surely there might be an obvious answer there, for instance, that if one was communicating with someone then obviously one would use their language, would one not? And if they did communicate through telepathy then possibly they'd have some technique for the recipient being able to understand in their own language? Equally surely, if one had had an experience that was completely outside one's normal range of experience, then it would be difficult to find words to adequately describe it, so that what you said might sound inadequate or implausible? Regarding the appearance of the Aliens, yes, the tall blond aliens in shiny suits do sound straight out fo 50's sci fi, but that might be the only way that someone to whom this was completely outside their normal range of experience could describe it? Or perhaps even the ETs might choose to appear in particular forms to particular people or races, to avoid freaking them out too much, or perhaps they were a kind of avatar, designed to appear to them in a form that they could comprehend? I really don't know if presumed inadequacies or discrepancies in testimony are good enough reason to dismiss all such experiences with a curl of the Lip.

ok true..

When Barney took a few people out to see where they were abducted from.. he described the aliens as having large wrap around eyes.. which he never mentioned in his original description (3 years prior).. This description came out a week or two after the show The Outer Limits showed a alien with low and behold.. large wrap around eyes..

Carl Sagan did a bit regarding Betty's Starmap in his Cosmos show..

[quillius]

DingoLingo, on 02 January 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

its not a bad idea quillius.. problem is.. doing that would start a whole new argument .. believers say its not debunked etc.. look at the AA thread

yes and its in the argument we have all the fun isnt it

let me start ...pascagoula case ...debunk away or another favourite of mine.....portage county.......good luck with those two

[topsecretresearch]

1908    Tunguska event
1909    Mystery Airships
1940s The Foo Fighters

What we now term UFOs were reported in Europe during the mid 1930s. They had what we term a UFO wave during that time. Also the odd ball CE3 later reported to organizations such as APRO that supposedly predate WWII. Coral Lorenzen had her first UFO sighting during the 1930s.

[topsecretresearch]

Here's what I got from 1900 up to the Kenneth Arnold sighting....

• February 28, 1904. San Francisco, CA. Lt. Frank Schofield wrote of three bright red egg-shaped and circular objects.
  
• June 30, 1908.Tunguska, Siberia explosion event.
  
• 1910-1912. UFO reports in Russian newspapers.
  
• 1914. Georgia Bay, Canada. Spherial UFO at lake with occupants. William J. Kiehl.
  
• January 31, 1916. UK. A UK pilot near Rochford reported a row of lights, like lighted windows on a railway carriage, that rose and disappeared.
  
• 1917.Fatima, Portugal
  
• 1922. Poland. A silvery object. Two hemispheres divided by a rotating ring shoots a beam of light.
  
• 1926. A pilot reported six "flying manhole covers" between Wichita, Kansas and Colorado Springs, Colorado.
  
• 1927. New York State. UFO landing trace photo.
  
• 1927. Fernvale, NSW, Australia. A disc-shaped object with dome. Landing trace.
  
• 1927. Cave Junction, Oregon. UFO Photo
  
• August 5, 1927. Mongolia. Nikolay Roerich and six others. Oval UFO.
  
• March or April, 1929. Illinois. Shining flying disc projected a beam of light.
  
• 1930s. Ghost Aircraft, Phantom Aircrafts, Ghost Fliers
  
• 1932. St. Paris, Ohio. George Sutton photo.
  
• 1933. RS/33 (Ricerche Speciale [Special Research] 33) Cabinet to study the 'Velivoli Non Convenzionali' (unconventional aircraft) started in Italy by Mussolini.
  
• 1933. Milan, Italy. Possible UFO crash near Milan.
  
• 1933-1937. Hundreds of citizens in the Finland saw mysterious phantom aircrafts or ghost fliers. It was probably a second wave of unusual mass sightings in the World, which was officially studied.
  
• 1934. Coral E. Lorenzen, the founder of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization hemispherical-shaped object sighting.
  
• June, 1935. Astounding Stories magazine cover of an alien abduction.
  
• August 17, 1936. Venice, Italy. Aerial torpedo with windows and two hat shaped UFOs pursued by two fighter planes. Report by 'Andrea' an Italian secret service agent.
  
• 1938. Orson Welles's The War Of The Worlds radio adaptation of the H. G. Wells's novel.
  
• 1940. Gateshead, Britain. Mr. Robert Hall CE III.
  
• 1941. The Books of Charles Fort by Tiffany Thayer was published by Henry Holte and Company, New York.
  
• Spring, 1941. Cape Girardeau, Missouri. UFO Crash, aliens photographed. Reverend William Huffman.
  
• Late 1941. Sonora, Mexico (south of Arizona). UFO crash recovery by the US Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).
  
• February 25, 1942. "Battle of Los Angeles"
  
• 1942. Tientsien, Hopeh Province, North China. UFO photo.
  
• 1942. Tasman Peninsula, Australia. RAAF pilot flying aircraft off the coast of Tasman Peninsula in 1942 spotted an unusual airfoil bronze colored craft 50 feet wide 150 feet long surrounded by a reflective dome. It kept pace with the RAAF pilot's aircraft before departing rapidly.
  
• Summer 1942. 'North Of Georgia' UFO Crash at Army base. Witness Mary Nunn (pseudonym).
  
• 1943. Gdynia, Baltic coast of Poland. Daniel Léger CE III. "The Aviatrix."
  
• 1943. Foo Fighters
  
• Second World War, East Coast of England. RAF bomber encounter with UFO. Winston Churchill ordered a cover-up.
  
• 1943. Germany. A fleet of flying discs -- called 'Foo Fighters' -- were launched from huge cigar-shaped mother craft during B-17 daylight raids over Germany.
  
• April 5, 1943. Long Beach, California. Gerry Casey flying a Vultee Valiant BT-13 trainer with student. Encountered an elliptical-shape UFO.
  
• September, 1943. Stuttgart. Germany. Small discs (General Arnold's files).
  
• October, 1943. Schweinfurt, Germany. Small discs.
  
• Southwest Ukraine, 1944. Boris Surikov and his commander, Major Bajenov during a mission to Romania to bomb oil refineries used by the Germans encountered a large elliptical-shaped object that flew towards them. Felt strong electrostatic charge.
  
• W.W. II. 1944. Kaneohe, Oahu, Hawaii. E.L. (initials), serving as Carpenter Mate, 1st Class, Hqt. Co. 112th Construction Battalion, came across a landed saucer near a wooded ridge, near the beach of Kaneohe, Oahu, Hawaii.
  
• June, 1944. Fairlight Quarry near Hastings, Sussex, England. Bill Steele, frequently observed hub-caps, haped UFOs, though a little larger, circling V-1s (Vergeltungswaffen - retaliation weapons) and running alongside with ease.
  
• August 11, 1944. France. A Lancaster bomber crew of eight saw what they described as a huge disc-shaped object with a row of lights that dwarfed their aircraft many times over.
  
• October 18, 1944. Alfonsine, Italy. Small discs.
  
• Mid-July, 1945. Hanford Nuclear Reactor. Six F6F "Hellcats" made visual contact with the object described as the size of three aircraft carriers side by side, oval shaped.
  
• August 16, 1945. San Antonio, New Mexico. UFO Crash. Reme Baca, Jose Padilla.
  
• Summer, 1945. Stendal, near Berlin. Black plate, diameter 1/8 the moon. Flying against wind below clouds. Von Ludwiger, Illo Brand.
  
• Summer and Autumn, 1946. Sweden Ghost Rockets
  
• May, 1946. Numerous sightings in Russia including landings.
  
• May, 1946. Malmo, southern Sweden. Gosta Carlsson, Disc-shaped object with a cupola. 17 feet in height, 53 feet in diameter. Two metal legs.
  
• July 10, 1946. Bjorkon, Sweeden. A number of people watched as a "projectile trailing luminous smoke" slammed into a beach leaving a yard wide, shallow crater containing a slag-like material.
  
• February 20, 1947. Syracuse University, New York. Astronomer and two students at Syracuse campus see an unending stream of elliptical or circular objects cossing the heavens, obliterating the stars as they passed at a high rate of speed through refractor telescope.
  
• April, 1947. U.S. Weather Bureau sighting of metallic disks through theodolite telescope.
  
• June 21, 1947. Spokane, Washington. Eight discoid objects, each estimated to be the size of a house, allegedly were seen flying over Spokane in eastern Washington State. "Falling leaf" motion.
  
• Summer, 1947. News wires ran stories of Swedish ghost rocket crashes. Many of these UFOs fell into lakes.

Modern Era In Ufology

• June 24, 1947. Kenneth Arnold sighting (popularized the term "flying saucer") ushering in the modern era in Ufology.

Edited by topsecretresearch, 05 January 2013 - 05:39 AM.

[mcrom901]

topsecretresearch, on 05 January 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

Here's what I got from 1900 up to the Kenneth Arnold sighting....

you're saying they were here before the atomic bombs?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

mcrom901, on 05 January 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

you're saying they were here before the atomic bombs?

Well, think about that; if they did come as a result of the Atomic bombs, that must mean that they'd have had time to detect the explosions, decide to do something about it (though why they should be so worried is anyone's guess, since there are billions of immeasurably larger atomic reactions going on all over the universe all the time), launch an expedition, and get here in time to plant at least one of their craft all over New Mexico, all in less than two years. That would have to mean they were pretty close.

[topsecretresearch]

If you are new to UFOs I recommend one of the UFO Encylopedias. Some public libraries carry them. You can read about older UFO encounters such as Robozero, Russia (also called The Robozero Marvel), UFO 'battle' over Nuremberg, Germany in 1561, etc.

Edited by topsecretresearch, 06 January 2013 - 08:39 AM.

[mcrom901]

Lord Vetinari, on 06 January 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

Well, think about that; if they did come as a result of the Atomic bombs, that must mean that they'd have had time to detect the explosions, decide to do something about it (though why they should be so worried is anyone's guess, since there are billions of immeasurably larger atomic reactions going on all over the universe all the time), launch an expedition, and get here in time to plant at least one of their craft all over New Mexico, all in less than two years. That would have to mean they were pretty close.

to 'support' the hypothesis re the common lore we need to consider that these fellows are omnipresent, they get to see what we're up to through some bio-conscious field / or, something similar and that they do not need to traverse the vastness of space to get here... they just pop-in-n-out, just like that... but then there's the question, if they are aware of our misbehavings (i.e. to say that they are monitoring us constantly) then why do they need to pop in physically to observe whatever it is that they need to observe? it kinda goes against the zoo hypothesis, isn't it?

[Hilander]

Maybe they keep coming back because we are an experiment that they started and had nothing to do with the bomb.  At least not at first.

Since they must be a very advanced race to do what has been reported over the years it might not take them that long to get here even if they live light years away.