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#91    rashore

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 06:58 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 28 August 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

Anybody who knows anything about bee keeping and animal husbandry knows that cows produce much more milk (especially our turbo cows with 8-12 gallons a day) than any calf could drink and bees produce up to 8 times the honey they need to get the hive through the winter (unless it was a year with hardly anything blooming), that is up to 40 pounds per hive-- they might need 5-6.

Only those who live in some kind of phantasy world could come to those conclusions.

I don't think it's a fantasy world.. I think it's ignorance mostly. Most people don't really think about or realize how much honey bees make, or how much milk cows make. They don't really think about farming practices and husbandry or food processing. A lot of people are amazingly ignorant about a lot of food stuff.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:07 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 28 August 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Milk production in the modern factory farming system is one of the most brutal experiences imaginable. The calves are sent away to veal crates and the mothers are bred to the point where their life is short and painful.
Just to show I am not a holier than though type - I drink milk from that system. However out here in Ireland the Milk cows are not excessively overbred and the calves generally go off to become bullocks with a relatively happy life out in the fields.

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It is disgusting, that here in New Zealand, some Dairy farmers perpously inject the cows with a chemical that aborts the calf prematurely. The calfs die. But the farmer gets an extra 6-12 weeks of milking and the Cash that goes with it.. (So much for our clean and green image down here)

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http://tvnz.co.nz/na...-banned-3680389

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:19 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 28 August 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Whoaaa... are you telling me that some Veggies will not eat anything from the Allium family (onions , garlic), or dairy products made from milk, or Honey none of which involves Loss of Life tom an animal??? That is just bizarre and very definitely in the camp of "Religious Tradition" rather than reality.

I unfortunantly cannot eat honey.  Wish I could.

Edited by FurthurBB, 28 August 2012 - 07:23 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:33 PM

At this point in such a discussion Little Fish has usually accused me of been a eugenics obsessed Fascist :blush:

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:54 PM

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At this point in such a discussion Little Fish has usually accused me of been a eugenics obsessed Fascist :blush:

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He probably is at the convention and with all the cheering and applauding does not have time to insult you.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:19 PM

Well its virtually happened to me already.  As a single parent not on a massive wage I can rarely afford meat for myself.  I do for my son but I simply cannot afford it day to day.  I have also a long time ago taken to eating only once a day myself and often pretty rank stuff like lentils etc.  

Every time I go for groceries I am shocked at the constant increases, especially over the last few weeks. The British Medical Association (BMA) are simply loving this as they have been supporting getting meat priced out of the average persons budget for quite a few years.  I guess somebody will be happy.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:31 PM

I'm heading the same way I think..
I'm staring a home garden. All the doom & gloom regarding future food prices got me down to the garden shop.
Globalisation means America & Europes price spikes will effect us down here whether we like it or not. Even though it doesn't make much sense, it's going to happen.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:38 PM

There are multiple extremely reasonable explanations for why current food prices are going through the ceiling. Don't allow yourself to be dragged into CT explanations for why the man is taking your meat away.
Just look out into the real world to understand the multiple pressures on food supplies - starting with the price of oil.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 09:53 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 August 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

Accept for the yeast, all the sources on that site are of animal origin: eggs and milk products. So, a vegetarian (belonging to one or two of the catagories I mentioned in my former post) won't have a lot of problems, but vegans will.


Plants are not sources of vitamin B12.

http://en.wikipedia....ism#Vitamin_B12


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http://en.wikipedia....tritional_yeast


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:43 AM

Well if anybody ever watched Forks over Knives, they'll probably realize how much harm meat and dairy actually do to you, so it only makes sense to become a veg-junkie. What's the point of not smoking, if you eat meat? It's like you have a diet coke with your burger.


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:29 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 28 August 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

There are multiple extremely reasonable explanations for why current food prices are going through the ceiling. Don't allow yourself to be dragged into CT explanations for why the man is taking your meat away.
Just look out into the real world to understand the multiple pressures on food supplies - starting with the price of oil.

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where I want to add that it is not like they make food out of oil (yet), but take our supply system and you might end up asking yourself questions like: Why do tomatoes have to be flown in from Israel if they can grow here? Why do we fly in grapes from Chile? It is not like they can't be grown in California. And why does most every potato have to come from Idaho if it is a known fact that they grow about everywhere?

And the answer is simple: The labor in those places is so dirt cheap that it is worth it to spend thousands of tons of fuel to get them to the consumer, either because the planting is done industrial style (Idaho) or because a peon gets a few pennies a day.

With this we are hurting everybody and not least the environment.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:05 PM

On the price of food.

Well, I've not really looked into the whole price of food personally.. I've relied on alternitave media to give me the facts on this.
1. We've hit peek oil. This means the price of everything has only 1 way to go and thats up. fertiliser, fuels, manufacturing cost, up, up, up.
2. Corporate greed. Dont get me started.. Just consider that when X or Y Corporation post billion dollar profits, that's money out of everyones pocket.
3. Government. Shutting down small (local growers) with needless legistation brought and paid for by the big Corporations.. $$ killing the opposition.
4. False scacity. Big Corporations prefer the illusion that food is scarce, so go out of their way to create it.. helps the bottom line.. $$
There's more to this list, unfortunately I'm going a little off topic..
mmm.
5. Vegetarians.. Threw them in to stay on topic because they consume more vegetables than everyone else..

Edited by Professor T, 29 August 2012 - 07:06 PM.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 06:31 PM

Processed foods are killing people.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 06:32 PM

Our bodies were designed to eat whole foods such as nuts, fruits, veggies.


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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:08 AM

View Poststarchild1976, on 30 August 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Our bodies were designed to eat whole foods such as nuts, fruits, veggies.

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Processed foods are killing people

Nah, we are omnivores: we eat what you said, plus meat and/or carrion. If we were designed to eat plant/herb material only, our appendix would at least be a 100 times longer, and we would have bellies like a gorilla or a horse/cow, just because of the amount of gut needed to digest the food.

Plus the fact that we have eaten cooked and fried food for many millennia has changed our body. If we had continued eating everything raw, we would still have jaws like those of a Neanderthal or worse, like a gorilla's, with huge molars.

And cooking and frying is 'processing'.

Try to eat uncooked potatoes, and you will soon be sorry you tried.

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Edited by Abramelin, 31 August 2012 - 11:11 AM.





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