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[crouton]

Beautiful!  Thanks all for the links!

[Darsawl]

good old fasion clr

[the L]

I wonder where Iron pillar of Delhi orginally stand?

Edited by the L, 13 January 2013 - 09:03 PM.

[Harsh86_Patel]

Rust free after so much weathering....

[TheSearcher]

the L, on 13 January 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

I wonder where Iron pillar of Delhi orginally stand?

The pillar was used as a trophy in the building the Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque and the Qutb complex, that much can be established without a doubt. However R. Balasubramaniam, based on analysis of the metallurgy of the pillar, says it was originally located at the Udayagiri caves, situated near Vidisha in Madhya Pradesh.

Harsh86_Patel, on 14 January 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

Rust free after so much weathering....

It's so for a reason the corrosion resistance results from an even layer of crystalline iron hydrogen phosphate, forming on the high phosphorus content iron, which serves to protect it, and also the effects of the local Delhi climate, which alternates from wet to dry. I find it a real testament to the skill of ancient Indian blacksmiths.

[the L]

TheSearcher, on 14 January 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

The pillar was used as a trophy in the building the Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque and the Qutb complex, that much can be established without a doubt. However R. Balasubramaniam, based on analysis of the metallurgy of the pillar, says it was originally located at the Udayagiri caves, situated near Vidisha in Madhya Pradesh.

Thanks a lot. That realy helped.
However did Udayagiri caves can be called Vishnupada hill? Is there any hill at all? Do we seen other pillars there?
Is there else more similar pillars?
Also we only suggest who was Chandra, right?

I adore Gupta empire. It was best time period in India and empire (+Mughal) in India in my opinion.

Edited by the L, 14 January 2013 - 08:09 PM.

[DieChecker]

Can't beleive I clicked "Like" to a post from 7 years ago!

I've always wondered about this pillar, but never took the time to find out why it was not so rusty... Turns out it is the phosphorous....

Edited by DieChecker, 15 January 2013 - 01:53 AM.

[pallidin]

TheSearcher, on 14 January 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

It's so for a reason the corrosion resistance results from an even layer of crystalline iron hydrogen phosphate, forming on the high phosphorus content iron, which serves to protect it, and also the effects of the local Delhi climate, which alternates from wet to dry. I find it a real testament to the skill of ancient Indian blacksmiths.

Maybe there's a more simple explanation:

Perhaps it was "rubbed" a lot by pole dancers.  

[pallidin]

DieChecker, on 15 January 2013 - 01:53 AM, said:

Can't beleive I clicked "Like" to a post from 7 years ago!

The Internet forums sure can make a little time seem like a whole lot, eh?

[Timonthy]

frogfish, on 28 February 2006 - 07:20 PM, said:

India was renowned for many items, and advancements in numerology and medicine during its golden ages (Europena dark ages). I have many pieces of watered steel form my grandmother, who lives south of Trichi. They are very beautiful.

Did you mean to write numerology? Or we're you referring to mathematics?

Edit: didn't realise how old this thread was either. It's all 'the L''s fault!

Edited by Timonthy, 15 January 2013 - 03:27 AM.

[DieChecker]

Timonthy, on 15 January 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

Did you mean to write numerology? Or we're you referring to mathematics?

Edit: didn't realise how old this thread was either. It's all 'the L''s fault!

Yeah. Frogfish (A really cool guy) has been gone for like 2 years now.

[TheSearcher]

the L, on 14 January 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

Thanks a lot. That realy helped.
However did Udayagiri caves can be called Vishnupada hill? Is there any hill at all? Do we seen other pillars there?
Is there else more similar pillars?
Also we only suggest who was Chandra, right?

I adore Gupta empire. It was best time period in India and empire (+Mughal) in India in my opinion.

L, what are you talking about? If the Udayagiri caves could be called Vishnupada hill, they wouldn't be called Udayagiri caves. These are two separate locations. I didn't suggest anybody being Chandra. Not sure where you get that from. Also, no no other pillars, just a monumental figure of Viṣṇu in his incarnation as the boar-headed Varaha.

[the L]

TheSearcher, on 15 January 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

L, what are you talking about? If the Udayagiri caves could be called Vishnupada hill, they wouldn't be called Udayagiri caves. These are two separate locations. I didn't suggest anybody being Chandra. Not sure where you get that from. Also, no no other pillars, just a monumental figure of Viṣṇu in his incarnation as the boar-headed Varaha.

Because thats what inscription on pillar said. Vishnupada hill and Chandra is written on pillar.
Its said on wikipedia about pillar.

[TheSearcher]

the L, on 15 January 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

Because thats what inscription on pillar said. Vishnupada hill and Chandra is written on pillar.
Its said on wikipedia about pillar.

OK you mean this bit from Wiki :

Quote

The pillar carries a number of inscriptions and graffiti of different dates which have not been studied systematically despite the pillar's prominent location and easy access. The oldest inscription on the pillar is in Sanskrit, written in Gupta-period Brahmi script.^[10] This states that the pillar was erected as a standard in honour of Viṣṇu. It also praises the valor and qualities of a king referred to simply as Candra, now generally identified with the Gupta King Candragupta II.^[11] Some authors attempted to identify Candra with Candragupta Maurya and yet others have claimed the pillar dates as early as 912 BCE.^[12] These views are no longer accepted.

We don't all use Wiki mate, so you really need to learn to reference, seriously.  Also keep in mind that although this appears to be the oldest inscription, this may just be the oldest "graffiti" on there, and not anything by the people that actually made the pillar. Also I cannot find any indication of where Vishnupada hillis written on the pillar. Mind linking it or showing me?

[the L]

The iron pillar is one of the world’s foremost metallurgical curiosities. The pillar, 7.21 metre high and weighing more than six tonnes, was originally erected by Chandragupta II Vikramaditya (375–414 AD) in front of a Vishnu Temple complex at Udayagiri around 402 AD, and later shifted by Aangpal in 10th Century AD from Udaygiri to its present location. Anangpal built a Vishnu Temple here and wanted this pillar to be a part of that temple.
The estimated weight of the decorative bell of the pillar is 646 kg while the main body weighs 5865 kg thereby making the entire pillar weigh at 6,511 kg. The pillar bears an inscription in Sanskrit in Brahmi script dating 4th century AD, which indicates that the pillar was set up as a Vishnudhvaja, standard of god, on the hill known as Vishnupada in memory of a mighty king named Chandra, believed to Chandragupta II. A deep socket on the top of this ornate capital suggests that probably an image of Garuda was fixed into it, as common in such flagpoles.[25]
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Qutb_complex ( About Iron Pillar. )

Oh, wiki is like portal. You need to check links they provide as source. I like wiki. It is starting point. Often they have some great picture like this one.



But on this particular thing it doesnt have source.
Im sure I read it few more places.


See the bottom of this pic

http://www.grandpooh...ranslation.html

Delhi iron pillar has an inscription in Samskr.tam written in Brahmi
script.

It is a vishnu dhvaja on a hill called Vishnupaada. Installed by King
Chandra.

He, on whose arm fame was inscribed by the sword, when, in battle in
the Vanga countries, he kneaded (and turned) back with (his) breast
the enemies who, uniting together, came against (him);-he, by whom,
having crossed in warfare the seven mouths of the (river) Sindhu, the
Vâhlikas were conquered;-he, by the breezes of whose prowess the
southern ocean is even still perfumed;-

(Line 3.)-He, the remnant of the great zeal of whose energy,
which utterly destroyed (his) enemies, like (the remnant of the great
glowing heat) of a burned-out fire in a great forest, even now leaves
not the earth; though he, the king, as if wearied, has quitted this
earth, and has gone to the other world, moving in (bodily) form to
the land (of paradise) won by (the merit of has) actions, (but)
remaining on (this) earth by (the memory of his) fame;-

(L. 5.)-By him, the king,-who attained sole supreme
sovereignty in the world, acquired by his own arm and (enjoyed) for a
very long time; (and) who, having the name of Chandra, carried a
beauty of countenance like (the beauty of) the full-moon,-having in
faith fixed his mind upon (the god) Vishnu, this lofty standard of
the divine Vishnu was set up on the hill (called) Vishnupada.



http://tech.dir.grou...gy/message/1133


and here

http://www.world-mys..._ironpillar.htm

Thats four sources or did they tell everyone lie beliving its truth. So in the end lie become truth. Like in Orwells novel?

Edited by the L, 15 January 2013 - 01:07 PM.