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First wolf found in Holland after 150 years

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:12 PM

Wolves are prowling into Western Europe in their largest numbers for more than a century after a spate of mysterious sheep massacres that has spread fear through farms across the continent.

Scientists in Holland made the revelation after a mysterious creature found dead by the side of a road was revealed to be the country's first wolf in 150 years.

Meanwhile in Germany, 50 wolf-pack raids were recorded in Germany last year alone despite the fact that the country's supposed 'last wolf' was shot dead in 1904.

http://www.dailymail...ve-Britain.html

http://www.independe...pe-8703910.html

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:02 PM

View PostStill Waters, on 15 July 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Wolves are prowling into Western Europe in their largest numbers for more than a century after a spate of mysterious sheep massacres that has spread fear through farms across the continent.

Scientists in Holland made the revelation after a mysterious creature found dead by the side of a road was revealed to be the country's first wolf in 150 years.

Meanwhile in Germany, 50 wolf-pack raids were recorded in Germany last year alone despite the fact that the country's supposed 'last wolf' was shot dead in 1904.

http://www.dailymail...ve-Britain.html

http://www.independe...pe-8703910.html

I don't think it is anything to get too worried about.   All they need to do is issue hunting tags for wolves.   Keeps the population down.    If there isn't a need for them at all, open season will do it.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 12:41 AM

I don't think I would let a few wolves worry me.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:21 PM

Am I dreaming, but wasn't there another wolf-related story about wolves in Germany posted yesterday - cannot see it now?

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:54 PM

View PostHilander, on 16 July 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

I don't think I would let a few wolves worry me.

It may be something to wory about if you have chickens and you let them free range.   Certainly something that can change how you live,


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 10:37 AM

Good to see the wolves making a comeback. But it's just a shame man can't find a way to coexist with anything.




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Posted 17 July 2013 - 10:58 AM

View PostMyles, on 15 July 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:



I don't think it is anything to get too worried about.   All they need to do is issue hunting tags for wolves.   Keeps the population down.    If there isn't a need for them at all, open season will do it.
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shooting everything in sight isn't the answer.
the last time we tried that, as a way of "keeping the numbers down" we wiped them out, and i don't really think we have the right to do that.
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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:34 PM

View Postshrooma, on 17 July 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

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shooting everything in sight isn't the answer.
the last time we tried that, as a way of "keeping the numbers down" we wiped them out, and i don't really think we have the right to do that.
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I think we have the right.
Never said shoot everything in sight.    What gave you that idea? Issuing a determined number of tags will work well.  Let the experts monitor the population.   Too many wolves is worse than no wolves.   The idea is to keep a happy number somewhere in the middle.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:43 PM

Wolves in Holland?  Have you any idea how densely populated that place is?  Next it will be wolves in Hong Kong.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 01:58 PM

The wolves are just doing what wolves do. Living, eating, etc,.. If you leave a small population of animals alone for a while in a prime habitat they will regenerate their populations. 100 yrs ago that would have been fine, but now with humans moving into every corner of the globe people/wolf interactions will become more common. Especially when livestock is involved. Wolves are not stupid, they will take an easy meal when presented with one and sheep and livestock present them with one. As populations of both wolves, humans, and therefore livestock increase a happy  medium has to be reached for the sake of the livestock, humans, and wolves. In my opinion a controlled number of tags to kill a wolf could be issued after a conclusion has been come to on the population density of the wolves. This way the owners of the livestock could legally take a certain number of wolves every year without damaging the overall population.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 02:15 PM

I agree Mike.
Where I live, the deer population needs to be controlled every year.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 02:23 PM

Why are wolves seen as a problem other than to farmers? They're not going to go out of their way and break in to anyones house and steal their stuff. Personally, I'd love wolves in Australia. Oh wait, Dingos.

Actually, I'd love it if every time someone said 'wolf' pictures of it snarling didn't go with it. Cause you know, there's more to a species than it being aggressive.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:09 PM

View PostZaraKitty, on 17 July 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Why are wolves seen as a problem other than to farmers? They're not going to go out of their way and break in to anyones house and steal their stuff. Personally, I'd love wolves in Australia. Oh wait, Dingos.

Actually, I'd love it if every time someone said 'wolf' pictures of it snarling didn't go with it. Cause you know, there's more to a species than it being aggressive.
They will attack other animals than livestock.    They are a predator.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:19 PM

View PostMyles, on 17 July 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

They will attack other animals than livestock. They are a predator.

Just like humans, eh?

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:22 PM

View PostZaraKitty, on 17 July 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Just like humans, eh?

Pretty much.   But humans have the ability to stop the wolves.






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