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[Copen]

If God said that to Adam (Genesis 1:29) then God is a very unstable God and is not all knowing.
God said that to male and female created Day Six - Gentiles.

Adam, (the first Jew), created Day Eight, was told something different. "Every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat it; for in the DAY thou eatest there thou shalt surely die."

The Jews have always been under more dietary restrictions than the Gentiles. God keeps His promise. Adam did not begin to die. He died that self same day. His soul died to sin. He immediately knew to be ashamed of his nakedness.

When the serpent asked, "Hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" He was asking - - are you not as good as the Gentiles for they can eat fruit of every tree? Eva thought Adam had told her the truth; "Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye TOUCH it, lest ye die." She touched it and realized Adam had deceived her. She didn't die until she ate the fruit. Then she became as gods knowing good and evil.

In the Psalms 82:6 and also when King Saul called the prophet Samuel up from Paradise, he saw gods. Gods (with a little "g") used in those references meant priests and prophets who had wisdom concerning God's righteous laws of good and evil.
God bless us all is my prayer.

[JGirl]

and?

[Copen]

JGirl, on 03 December 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

and?

Sorry I'm a little slow. I don't understand the question.
God bless.

[JGirl]

Copen, on 03 December 2012 - 02:56 AM, said:

Sorry I'm a little slow. I don't understand the question.
God bless.

i was wondering where you were going with your OP - i guess i didn't understand your 'question' either lol

[Copen]

JGirl, on 03 December 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

i was wondering where you were going with your OP - i guess i didn't understand your 'question' either lol

I was just trying to show this was another example that proves God said one thing to one people, (the Gentiles), and something different to Adam, (the first Jew), created Day Eight.
God bless.

[ZaraKitty]

I'm not ashamed to be naked. How does that relate to sin?

[chopmo]

But you also take texts from different sources and expect the answers to remain the same. 1+1=1, 2+2=4, 1+2=3 < see the sequence no matter how much you want to change the basics of the sum it will always be changed. 1+2 will never = 2 or 4.

[Darkwind]

Knowledge is bad, ignorance is good, sounds like something Republicans would write.

[JGirl]

Copen, on 03 December 2012 - 03:08 AM, said:

I was just trying to show this was another example that proves God said one thing to one people, (the Gentiles), and something different to Adam, (the first Jew), created Day Eight.
God bless.

what did god say to the gentiles? what did he say to adam?
i am not familiar with the passages you refer to so it would be helpful in understanding your point (for me at least) if you added them specifically

Edited by JGirl, 03 December 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[IamsSon]

The first Jew would have been Abraham, not Adam.  Adam was the first man.  The first seven chapters of Genesis seem to be written in a literary form that is somewhat poetic in nature and written in a form that seems to be recognized as fairly usual for that area at the time of it's writing, where an important story or part of a story is first told in a cursory way and then repeated in greater detail.  So, chapter 2 of Genesis is the same story as is told at the end of Genesis 1, but with greater detail.

[xCrimsonx]

Being born is a sin! O.o Kind of sounds like, "I created you to be ashamed of how and why I did so".

We are all his children???? At no point in time or ever would I tell my children, "Here is some nurturing fruit, but you must feel really bad because I died for it".

[Copen]

xCrimsonx, on 03 December 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

Being born is a sin! O.o Kind of sounds like, "I created you to be ashamed of how and why I did so".

We are all his children???? At no point in time or ever would I tell my children, "Here is some nurturing fruit, but you must feel really bad because I died for it".

Yep!! Sin is in the flesh the moment male and female, (Gentiles), were created on Day Six. It is built into flesh. Look how many times the Bible says it was flesh that committed sin. Sin was not inherited through the blood. If it was, Jesus' blood could not have paid for our sin. Because a baby in the womb inherits some blood type, (DNA) from the mother. Jesus' blood was spotless. The only thing that was sin about Jesus was His flesh; and that died. "He became sin (meaning - flesh) for us."

David said in sin I was conceived. Sin is in the flesh. God has done curve corrections, such as the flood or Sodom, but it was the flesh that was corrupt. Not the blood. Blood paid for our sin.

In the beginning God created the heaven (singular) and the earth. Then according to the Bible Lucifer was given for a covering of the earth. We are not told how long ago the beginning was; but whenever it was the devil "sineth FROM the beginning." Then the Spirit of God saw the earth was confusion and emptiness and darkness was upon the deep water and the earth was completely submerged in water. And God knew who had done it -- "The devil is the author of confusion." Since there was confusion there, it points to the author of confusion.

So God set about a plan and He created male and female (Gentiles) of flesh. "Anything short of the glory of God is sin." Flesh is short of the glory of God. Flesh has no light in it. Flesh is sin. And God created Adam, (the first Jew), who was showing his sin by being naked. But he was ignorant of good and evil, so he wasn't ashamed.

GOD IS FIGHTING SIN WITH SIN (FLESH). God does not act on what He knows concerning the last Judgement. He lives by the same rules He gave the Jews for the death penalty. There has to be two witness without contradiction.  God wanted Adam to have the knowledge of good and evil. Adam had already sinned by telling the lie to Eva that if she TOUGHED the fruit she would die. That's two sins and nobody had eaten the fruit, yet. (The Bible says if you can find it twice in the Bible, you've got proof! Heb. 6:18)

Most of Christianity has been dancing to the wrong music. The exception is those who do not accept the "free will" doctrine and believe the Bible about election and predestination. God is not trying to convince people to ACCEPT and BELIVE in Him. But He wants them to have the gospel so they will know good and evil and know on whom to be thankful and to worship. Jesus came, "to save MY people from their sins." He is all knowing and all powerful. He can read your mind. He knows what it will take. His people are predestined unto the adoption. "Having predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL." Not our will --- His will. "All which the Father hath given unto Me, I have lost nothing." "You have not chosen me, I have chosen you." If you have a desire to be His, it is proof you are already.
God bless us all is my prayer

[JGirl]

would you please post the scriptures you refer to in your original post rather than preaching?

[Copen]

IamsSon, on 03 December 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

The first Jew would have been Abraham, not Adam.  Adam was the first man.  The first seven chapters of Genesis seem to be written in a literary form that is somewhat poetic in nature and written in a form that seems to be recognized as fairly usual for that area at the time of it's writing, where an important story or part of a story is first told in a cursory way and then repeated in greater detail.  So, chapter 2 of Genesis is the same story as is told at the end of Genesis 1, but with greater detail.

If you believe God told Adam and Eva that every tree with fruit with a seed was given to them for meat (food); and later told Adam, -- I changed my mind. There is one tree with the knowledge of good and evil that you must not eat. For the self same day you eat it you will die. Not 900 years from now; but that exact same day. Then that makes for very unstable foundation. Maybe God changed His mind about something else He previously blessed us to have. But the Bible says God is the same, yesterday, today and forever.  

The knowledge of God's laws of good and evil has always come from God through the Jews. Cain and Abel were sacrificing the burnt offering right away. God told Adam in the sweat of they face shalt thou eat bread. Bread has a double meaning. It means the inspired word. The Jews were the only ones God has ever used to give the word. Knowing that is a great tool of discernment of false religions. I can think of a few prophets who are not Jewish but have made an impact on poor ignorant people and led them astray because they do not realize that God only gives inspired word to Jews of the ancestry of Shem.

Was God talking to Gentiles when He said, "I will put hostility between thee (the devil) and the woman and between thy seed and her seed...and I will greatly multiply thy SORROW and thy conception; in SORROW thou shalt bring forth children." I have heard Jewish women on interviews many times say how sorrowful they were to find out that they had conceived a child. The idea of bringing a child into a world that all through the ages has hated the Jews, has made many a Jewish mother sorrowful. That is not so for the Gentiles. Gentiles have pain in childbirth --- not sorrow at conception. There's about 9 months difference in the sorrow and the pain.

Adam called his wife's name Eva; because she was the mother of all living.  That's the mother of all spiritually alive with the spiritual breath of life.

When Jesus called the Blessed Virgin Mary, "Woman," He was calling her the direct line to Eva who was named "Woman" by Adam.

When they gained the knowledge of good and evil, their souls died that very self same day to sin. They crucified the flesh.
God bless us all is my prayer

[Copen]

JGirl, on 04 December 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

would you please post the scriptures you refer to in your original post rather than preaching?

Now, be nice.
Genesis 1: 29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of the tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
God bless us all is my prayer