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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#4066    The Puzzler

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 02:55 PM

If salt was salt meaning solid - ie; currency - into Latin it would be same but may have changed to solid from salt in that language, if they took it into near Krekaland - then a soldier might be a solid friend - ie; of the country/protector
soldier then, from Latin could mean salt - just as salt means salary.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 02:56 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 03 June 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

The solidus (the Latin word for solid) was originally a gold coin issued by the Romans, and a weight for gold more generally, corresponding to 4.5 grams.

http://en.wikipedia..../Solidus_(coin)
Yes, but what is stopping solid from originating from salt? Salt would have been an earlier form of the solid.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 03:23 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 03 June 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:


Yes, but what is stopping solid from originating from salt? Salt would have been an earlier form of the solid.

Nothing is stopping it, but this is - again - nothing but a similarity of consonants.

solid (adj.)
late 14c., from Old French solide "firm, dense, compact," from Latin solidus "firm, whole, entire" (related to salvus "safe"), from PIE root *sol- "whole" (cf. Greek holos "whole," Latin salus "health;" see safe (adj.)).

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 03:28 PM

salt (n.)
Old English sealt (noun and adjective), from Proto-Germanic *saltom (cf. Old Saxon, Old Norse, Old Frisian, Gothic salt, Dutch zout, German Salz), from PIE *sal- "salt" (cf. Greek hals "salt, sea," Latin sal, Old Church Slavonic soli, Old Irish salann, Welsh halen, Old Church Slavonic sali "salt").

Meaning "experienced sailor" is first attested 1840, in reference to the salinity of the sea.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 03:37 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 03 June 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Nothing is stopping it, but this is - again - nothing but a similarity of consonants.

solid (adj.)
late 14c., from Old French solide "firm, dense, compact," from Latin solidus "firm, whole, entire" (related to salvus "safe"), from PIE root *sol- "whole" (cf. Greek holos "whole," Latin salus "health;" see safe (adj.)).

http://www.etymonlin...searchmode=none


From Old English sealt, from Proto-Germanic *saltą (cf. Dutch zout, German Salz, Swedish salt), from Proto-Indo-European *seh₂l- (cf. Welsh halen, Old Irish salann, Latin sal, Russian соль (sol'), Ancient Greek ἅλς (háls), Albanian ngjelmë (“salty, savory”), Old Armenian աղ (ał), Tocharian A sāle, Sanskrit सलिल (salila)).
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salt

Both etymologies rely on making up Proto words. Without them these words imo could clearly connect. Something to sleep on.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 03:44 PM

What you do is connect words that have similar consonants, and by that give them the same origin and meaning.

That is nothing but play.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:02 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 03 June 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

What you do is connect words that have similar consonants, and by that give them the same origin and meaning.

That is nothing but play.

Sleep well.
I noticed that van gorps post had salt described as a solid currency and saw no reason to think it's not connected to the word solid - which is what soldier comes from. Regardless of the consonants, I can see the meaning is the same and the word is very similar and could easily imo have come from a same root - that Proto words conveniently explain as not being connected.


Made me think of Salitas, the Hyksos.

Some scholars mention Salitis' name as "Sultan". This is an Arabic translation of the phrase "powerful king" because the king was considered to be the founder of the first Hyksos dynasty. Salitis captured Memphis and placed himself in higher rank than any of the royal families in the city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salitis

His name meant 'powerful king'. Like a ' solid king', strong, powerful, a soldier king I imagine.

Call it what you like.

Edited by The Puzzler, 04 June 2013 - 01:06 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:36 PM

I call it nonsense.

It will not explain the OLB word "salt-atha".

The OLB word "salt" is constantly used in the meaning of "salt", the OLB word "atha" constantly means 'friend'.

It had nothing to do with 'power', or 'powerful king' or 'solid'.

Using OLB lingo, the word "salt-atha" - or "saltatha" as it is also written - can only mean 'salt friends', or 'friends of the salt'. And from what I gather reading the OLB, the word is always in connection with seafarers and battle.

I think a modern equivalent would be 'marines'.

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Edited by Abramelin, 04 June 2013 - 09:00 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:38 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 23 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

The messsage here is: there are many clues that some (climatological) disaster had taken place around 1200 BCE,something UNknown in the 19th century, and that's why we don't find one single word about it in the OLB.

I have posted earlier that people in Europe went on the move around 1200 BCE, that countries were depopulated, wars ,unrest, general mayhem. And also around the Med (the Sea Peoples for instance).

The only thing from that period that shows up in the OLB is the mentioning of Ulysses sailing to Frisia.

And maybe even the story of Ulysses is dated wrong in the OLB (2194-1005=1189  BCE):

THE TROJAN WAR DATED BY TWO SOLAR ECLIPSES
Göran Henriksson
Department of Physics and Astronomy, Uppsala University
S-751 20 Uppsala, Sweden


CONCLUSIONS

If the passage quoted above from book 17
of the Iliad describes the total solar eclipse in
Troy in 1312 BC, the battle at Troy may be
connected to historical events in the Hittite
archives. These, in turn, can be related to an
absolute chronology by the solar eclipse in
1335 BC, in the tenth year of Mursili II.
Therefore we know that there was an attack
at Wilusa/Ilios/Troy by Ahhijawa/Achaeans
shortly after the death of Mursili II in 1315
BC. In the Hittite archives a prince Pijamaradu
from Arzawa was the commander of
the forces from Ahhijawa that took the island
Lazba, identified as Lesbos, and in the Iliad
the Achaean hero Achilles and his men conquered
Lesbos before they attacked Troy,
both taking place at the same time.


http://www.maajourna.../HENRIKSSON.pdf


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Edited by Abramelin, 06 June 2013 - 07:03 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:36 AM

View PostApol, on 11 March 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

The submersion of Âtland happened in the year 2193 BC - not in 2194 BC. By utilizing our current Gregorian Calendar the division 'before' and 'after' Christ or Our Time creates an extra year 0 when calculating mathematically from one side to the other, using the numbering at each side. It is because the Gregorian Calendar starts with year 1 instead of year 0. The Julian Calendar, which was the one in use when Hidde Oera Linda wrote his letter in AD 1256, didn't do that, it started with year 0 - and that calendar was utilized until AD 1582.
Accordingly, Hidde wrote his letter in AD 1255 according to our Gregorian Calendar - not in AD 1256; and Liko Ovira Linda wrote his letter in the year AD 802 - not in AD 803.

I overlooked something:

If you are right, Apol, then the date of the submergence of Aldland is still 2194: 1255-3449=2194 BCE.

And what is much more interesting is that then that flooding Hidde mentioned in that letter happened in 1254 CE.......and like I have posted in this thread, there was indeed a flood on the Dutch, English and Belgium coasts in 1254 CE (mentioned by Martin Paris).


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Edited by Abramelin, 11 June 2013 - 04:37 AM.


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:11 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 11 June 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

I overlooked something:

If you are right, Apol, then the date of the submergence of Aldland is still 2194: 1255-3449=2194 BCE.

And what is much more interesting is that then that flooding Hidde mentioned in that letter happened in 1254 CE.......and like I have posted in this thread, there was indeed a flood on the Dutch, English and Belgium coasts in 1254 CE (mentioned by Martin Paris).



Correction:

The guy's name was Mattheus Paris, and the floods took place at the coast of Flanders (and England?) in 1254:

http://www.unexplain...85#entry4019241

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(Sandbach:)

OKKE MY SON—

You must preserve these books with body and soul. They contain the history of all our people, as well as of our forefathers. Last year I saved them in the flood, as well as you and your mother; but they got wet, and therefore began to perish. In order not to lose them, I copied them on foreign paper.

In case you inherit them, you must copy them likewise, and your children must do so too, so that they may never be lost.

Written at Liuwert, in the three thousand four hundred and forty-ninth year after Atland was submerged—that is, according to the Christian reckoning, the year 1256 1255.

Hiddo Hidde, surnamed Over de Linda.—Watch.


http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#aa

"Last year" would then be 1254 CE.



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Edited by Abramelin, 11 June 2013 - 06:28 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 06:56 AM

I am half way through Col. Charles Vallancey's " The Vindication of the Ancient history of Ireland ........one of the points he makes very clear in this book is that because most of the MS about the Irish that have been found , are automatically thought to have referred to happenings which occurred in Ireland , and therefore places and tribes and kings names were made to fit that stance.

However Vallancey explains his belief that the Irish were originally African Ethiopians , who became Indians , who became Persians , who became Scythians , who became Phoenicians, who moved to Oman, and mixed with Arabians before eventually migrating to the British isles ,before being conquered again , where half of them were ousted to Scotland , and half to Ireland , where their records eventually ended up.......and from then on all their history they brought with them is thought to have happened in Ireland.................... whereas only the very last part of their history has anything to do with Ireland .

At one point he explains the Magog-ians and the Gomer-ians learning Magick and Sorcery from the Persians/Medes  , and becoming the spiritual leaders of the Greeks, but then they lost a war against the Assyrians , who's spiritual leaders were Druids ( thats what it says ?)  , and from this they fled Greece .....with the Gomerians coming to Scandinavia , and the Magogians coming to the British isles and pushing out the Irish , as mentioned before to Scotland and Ireland.

Just thought it sounded like the incoming of the Magi from OLB , so thought i would mention it .

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 10:15 AM

All that seems to have been more an inspiration for O'Connor's "Chronicles of Eri" than for the OLB:

http://en.wikipedia....ronicles_of_Eri

And if those Magy went to Ireland, why doesn't Ireland show up anywhere in the OLB?

As I have shown the ancient Irish did know of Lochlan, their name for what is now roughly the coastal area between Flanders and Denmark, a name they much later used for Scandinavia (here: the homeland of the Vikings).

The Chauci and Menapii went to Ireland and settled there. So did old Frisians, and some thought that these old Frisians were the Fomorians. One leader of the Fomorians was called "Bhreas" or Bres, "the Frisian".

It is known the Frisii and Chaucii raided the North Sea coasts many centuries before the Vikings started doing the same.

http://oeralinda.blo...ainly-knew.html

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Edited by Abramelin, 13 June 2013 - 10:17 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 01:25 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 04 June 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

I call it nonsense.

It will not explain the OLB word "salt-atha".

The OLB word "salt" is constantly used in the meaning of "salt", the OLB word "atha" constantly means 'friend'.

It had nothing to do with 'power', or 'powerful king' or 'solid'.

Using OLB lingo, the word "salt-atha" - or "saltatha" as it is also written - can only mean 'salt friends', or 'friends of the salt'. And from what I gather reading the OLB, the word is always in connection with seafarers and battle.

I think a modern equivalent would be 'marines'.

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Well, salt-atha is soldiers in the translations.

Not that I want to drag on about it all but the word atha in there is relative to oath - that's how it is friends - friends shares no etymology with atha,

Also used in the part with Minerva, an oath of kind has been formed between the two groups, therefore they were received - as friends (of oath - agreed on to be friends/made an oath).

At first they ran away, but when they found that we did not attack them, they came back and showed great friendship. Min-erva asked if we might settle there peaceably. This was agreed to on. the condition that we should help them to fight against their neighbours, who came continually to carry away their children and to rob their dwellings. Then we built a citadel at an hour’s distance from the harbour. By the advice of Min-erva it was called Athens, because, she said, those who come after us ought to know that we are not here by cunning or violence, but were received as friends (âtha).  

salt-atha therefore might have another meaning than atha being friends exactly. You showed it meant juryman yourself back a few posts.

êtha (1) 1 und häufiger, ê-th-a, afries., sw. M. (n): nhd. Eideshelfer, Eidhelfer; ne. compurgator; Vw.: s. even-; Hw.: s. a-th-th-a; E.: s. ê-th; L.: Hh 22a
êtha (2) 1, ê-th-a, afries., sw. V. (1): nhd. beeidigen?, beschwören?, vereidigen; ne. testify an oath; Hw.: vgl. ahd. eidōn; Q.: W; E.: s. ê-th; L.: Hh 22a, Hh 155, Rh 719b
(See the dictionary looks different)
oath (n.) Posted Image Old English að "oath, judicial swearing, solemn appeal to deity in witness of truth or a promise," from Proto-Germanic *aithaz (cf. Old Norse eiðr, Swedish ed, Old Saxon, Old Frisian eth, Middle Dutch eet, Dutch eed, German eid, Gothic aiþs "oath"), from PIE *oi-to- "an oath" (cf. Old Irish oeth "oath") http://www.etymonlin...x.php?term=oath

Edited by The Puzzler, 13 June 2013 - 02:19 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 06:34 PM

The OLB uses a word, "atha", for 'friends', and it uses it all over the MS.

So I go by that.

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"You showed it meant juryman yourself back a few posts."

Really??

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EDIT:

I checked, and I can't find the post where I did, according to you.



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Edited by Abramelin, 13 June 2013 - 07:09 PM.





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