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[newbern930]

Venomshocker, on 03 February 2005 - 05:58 AM, said:

QUOTE
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:

neither fornicators, nor idolaters,......


Uh oh, people who have sex cant go to heaven. style_emoticons/default/wink2.gif

That is the most peculiar bible verse I have ever read.

sex is not fornication, if its with your married partner.  The Bible also says to "keep the marriage bed undefiled".

[newbern930]

schadeaux, on 27 June 2004 - 02:39 PM, said:

QUOTE (paradigm_blue @ Jun 26 2004, 05:36 AM) Proof of divine inspiration?  I certainly think so.  Merely a morale book..well that's left up to the reader but I personally don't think so.  I ask the question, is it the only religious book that stacks up with modern science?  Before you answer that one, let's do our homework and not throw in the usual debate about evolution.  Cause evolution has been proven to be a false science.  There is nothing simple about a single celled organsim.  

paradigm blue, this thread is simply about Bible "FACTS," interesting little tidbits.  Nothing scientific or religeous.

Please lets not turn this into a flame war that will eventually get closed.  There are other threads for the science/religeon debate.

I agree....lets be decent here..If someone doesnt believe the Bible anyway...pleas dont waste your time trying to get the rest of us persuaded to follow you.

[Likely Guy]

Newbern, welcome to the forums!

You're quoting people from 8 years ago. They're not going to respond.

[TheSearcher]

newbern930, on 09 January 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

I agree....lets be decent here..If someone doesnt believe the Bible anyway...pleas dont waste your time trying to get the rest of us persuaded to follow you.

Then be expected to do the same thing and accept that some of us believe that the bible is just a moral guide book at best, instead of the ultimate truth.

[Crikey]

Jesus was solid flesh and blood seen by thousands including the Roman garrison, so to dismiss him as a "myth" seems a bit harsh.
In scientific terms he was an alien visitor-

He said "I am not of this world" (John 8:23)....."I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going" (John 8:14)......"I'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (Matt 13:35,

so isn't it a bit illogical of us not to at least listen to what he has to say?
Hey Spock would you listen to him?
"Affirmative, I'm all ears"

[Quaentum]

Crikey, on 11 January 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Jesus was solid flesh and blood seen by thousands including the Roman garrison, so to dismiss him as a "myth" seems a bit harsh.

The only reference to Jesus is in the Bible.  Were he real, other documentation would exist to support what is written in the Bible and without them he can not be said to have existed.

Crikey said:

In scientific terms he was an alien visitor-

He said "I am not of this world" (John 8:23)....."I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going" (John 8:14)......"I'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (Matt 13:35,

so isn't it a bit illogical of us not to at least listen to what he has to say?
Hey Spock would you listen to him?
"Affirmative, I'm all ears"

With the lack of corroborating evidence he would be, in scientific terms, someone whose existence has not been proven.

Spock would say "You hold in your hands a book with accounts of a person called Jesus, yet there is nothing to substantiate what is written.  It would not be logical to presume the existence of Jesus on that document alone"

[Rlyeh]

Crikey, on 11 January 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Jesus was solid flesh and blood seen by thousands including the Roman garrison, so to dismiss him as a "myth" seems a bit harsh.

So where are these thousands of accounts?

Matthew 27:52-53 says dead saints rose from their graves and appeared to many. Strange no one else bothered to record it.

Not everything a book says is true.

[Mangoze]

Rlyeh, on 12 January 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

So where are these thousands of accounts?

Matthew 27:52-53 says dead saints rose from their graves and appeared to many. Strange no one else bothered to record it.

Not everything a book says is true.

Crikey may be referring to Tacitus.

[Karyotype]

may or may not BS, but where is the proof?  We ask for proof in everything else,  Where is your proof?

[Karyotype]

I can produce numetouks folks that will swear that there Re aliens fromrhe moon that are here right this minute, so where is your proof?

[docyabut2]

Proof -Jesus son of Joseph.


http://en.wikipedia....t_Tomb_of_Jesus

[kmt_sesh]

docyabut2, on 13 January 2013 - 12:53 AM, said:

Proof -Jesus son of Joseph.


http://en.wikipedia....t_Tomb_of_Jesus

That ossuary has already been established as at least partly a hoax. A portion of the inscription is fraudulent.

The Wiki article references a Discovery Channel special produced by a filmmaker named Simcha Jacobovici. I remember watching it and found it interesting but ultimately implausible. Biblical scholars who've commented on the TV special agree. Jacobovici produces some flashy specials but they're extremely short on reliable historicity. His work is primarily idle speculation set to special effects. Remember Exodus Decoded? It was comically inept.

[docyabut2]

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kmt_sesh, on 13 January 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

That ossuary has already been established as at least partly a hoax. A portion of the inscription is fraudulent.

The Wiki article references a Discovery Channel special produced by a filmmaker named Simcha Jacobovici. I remember watching it and found it interesting but ultimately implausible. Biblical scholars who've commented on the TV special agree. Jacobovici produces some flashy specials but they're extremely short on reliable historicity. His work is primarily idle speculation set to special effects. Remember Exodus Decoded? It was comically inept.

I know, the Archeolgists say there were many people by those names, yet all the names of Jesus `s family may have been there, except for Simon and Jesus`s Sisters that were not named in the Bible.

His Exodus Decoded was really convincing, however I still hold that Moses may have been Akhenaten:)

[kmt_sesh]

docyabut2, on 13 January 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:

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I know, the Archeolgists say there were many people by those names, yet all the names of Jesus `s family may have been there, except for Simon and Jesus`s Sisters that were not named in the Bible.

His Exodus Decoded was really convincing, however I still hold that Moses may have been Akhenaten:)

Akhenaten was the son of Amunhotep III and a pagan who worshiped the sun disk. He never left Egypt nor was driven out; in fact, once he finished his purpose-built city of Akhetaten, there's no real evidence that he ever left its confines again.

And the Hebrews did not even yet exist.

How on earth could Akhenaten and Moses be the same person?

[cormac mac airt]

kmt_sesh, on 14 January 2013 - 02:51 AM, said:

Akhenaten was the son of Amunhotep III and a pagan who worshiped the sun disk. He never left Egypt nor was driven out; in fact, once he finished his purpose-built city of Akhetaten, there's no real evidence that he ever left its confines again.

And the Hebrews did not even yet exist.

How on earth could Akhenaten and Moses be the same person?

Dissociative identity disorder?

cormac