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#16    TaintedDoughnuts

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 04:37 AM

QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Jul 1 2005, 08:43 PM)
People that 'hate God' obviously must believe in His existence to 'hate' Him. People 'hate God' for alot of different reasons. Maybe you should ask him what it is that he thinks God has done/hasn't done to cause such hate. There's always a reason behind hate.

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Yes, that's what I planned to do, just have a friendly conversation and ask him why he despises God and get some more info on his view.


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Posted 02 July 2005 - 05:26 AM

A least that will get to the core of the problem.

Edited by Ashley-Star*Child, 02 July 2005 - 05:27 AM.


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Posted 02 July 2005 - 06:39 AM

To be forbidden to criticize, or how you put it- "blasphemise", a spiritual authority like god, is to approach spiritual slavery.

All bodies of power, just because they have power, should be scrutinized and criticized. So according to me, your friend has all the right in the world to say what he likes, when he likes and how he likes it if it has to do with his private life.


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Posted 02 July 2005 - 06:43 AM

TD some times people are just mad at GOD they feel he let them down for what ever reason, if he is a good friend try to think about what could have happen in his live to make him feel that way also sometimes people, will not listen until they are ready, if you can let him bring the subject up, them he may be more willing to listen to what you have to say, good luck,  ps no one is lost as long as they are still living! innocent.gif

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:03 AM

When Jesus took the sin of the world, He did not get a pardon, He had to die to fulfill Scripture:

(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the
children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)

The sins of the world belonged to Jesus, they were His, and they were unpardonable.

There will never come a day when the love of God will not be able to overcome a person's hate for Him. Jesus said to love our enemy that we might be as our Father. HINT.

When Jesus said "It is finished." covering Bob's anger was part of what was completed. Covering unbelief was also finished as God concluded all in unbelief that He might (and did) have mercy on all.

God and Jesus are not pieces of toast that need to be buttered up. God would rather have a person's anger come out at Him, then at another human.

The Holy Spirit never forgives. Many people never forgive a baby for spitting up on them. Same reason, they never took offense. It is the Holy Spirit, not the grudging spirit.

The Holy Spirit has an objective, that is bring people into the knowledge of the love of God. He does not have time to hold grudges. He has work to do. And He does it because He also loves God's creation. Mankind being what all creation was created for. In the Image of God.

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 05:42 AM

All you can do for him, is keep him in your prayers.

A person should have the freedom to choose which belief and path they wish to follow.

*Remember - some people do not like to be preached to!

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 10:39 PM

TD, the unforgiveable sin is to so harden oneself to Jesus that one will never ask for forgiveness.  We cannot know if someone has done this.  Our commission is try to share the forgiveness that is offered not to try to figure if someone will never be reached.  Usually the fear isn't that a friend may have committed this sin but oneself, for Hebrews says that once one has tasted the heavenly gift and then turned away it is impossible to restore him to repentance.  I sure thought I did that once - but there is a simple test for that.  If a person can genuinely repent and ask for forgiveness then they have not committed that sin for if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  I pray for success with your friend - and not to argue with anyone in this thread, for I wll not respond to rebutalls as that is not my heart here - TD, if Jesus is the only way (and He is - and I think you believe that too) then remember that good intentions pave the way to hell.  It may sound tolerant and modern to say that you should let you friend find his "own path" and his "own god" - yet no one would say this if we were talking about other issues such as choosing between easing one's pain in alchohol or seeking medical interention for clinical depression.  We would never say "well you know SSRIs have worked for some but my friend has found the Smirnoff path."   If you are indeed a Christian, letting your friend simply follow his own path is the most unloving thing you could do.  Blessings to you.



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Posted 04 July 2005 - 11:29 PM

The following is not addressed to any previous poster, so please don't take offense.
One of the most heinous sins, but not unforgiveable (there is no such thing to any who believe in a loving god) is to interfere with another's beliefs and to try to shove your religion down their throat when they are happy with their relationship with god.  Just like in medicine, there are many different cures, and sometimes more than one version of the same drug, there is only one God and thousands of paths that all lead to god.  To proselytize is like trying to make someone change from advil to ibuprofen.  It is meaningless, and could hurt in the long run.  There is no such thing as "one's own god", just "one's own path" to the same God.  All religion boils dwon to three words in the English language "Don't hurt people!"  THe rest is gloss and unnecessary.  "Don't kill" because it would hurt someone.  "Don't commit suicide or overdo drugs or alcohol" because you are someone.  "honor your moither and father" because they are people.  When people "witness" to someone who already has a path to god, and is not in a hopeless wallow of despair, they are hurting that person.  This goes especially to missionaries of any faith, and those annoying pests that knock on your door.  
they bring hurt, not help.  if they really wanted to help others, they would limit that to providing food, etc., and just letting the others know in the least offensive manner, that they have a path to god, if needed.  anything else causes pain.  no-one owns god.  no religion owns god. if you think your religion is the only true way, then you need to reread your scriptures.  Your egotisam actually separates you from god; it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not.Find your own path, and leave others alone, unless they ask. Guess what- most  already know God at least as well as you do.  anyone can ask God for forgiveness; religion means nothing to God.  God loves you.  God forgives you, and does not ignore any sincere requests.

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 11:52 PM

Is that your religious belief?


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Posted 05 July 2005 - 01:54 AM

God can soften the hardest heart.


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Posted 05 July 2005 - 02:01 AM

QUOTE(eveningsky339 @ Jul 5 2005, 02:54 AM)
God can soften the hardest heart.

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You are correct.  In fact sometimes I think the hard-hearted are the more likely - remember Jesus said I would that you were hot or cold, but lukewarm I will vomit out of my mouth.




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Posted 05 July 2005 - 04:30 AM

Dee Dee Warren, you stole my very first avatar!  LOL! laugh.gif   Gotta love the freaky llamaa thingy, eh?


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Posted 05 July 2005 - 10:22 AM

QUOTE(TaintedDoughnuts @ Jul 5 2005, 05:30 AM)
Dee Dee Warren, you stole my very first avatar!  LOL! laugh.gif   Gotta love the freaky llamaa thingy, eh?

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that is so funny!  we use it all the time at the forum I own (theologyweb.com) but call it the llama of the apocolypse or simply "wierd running thing" -- it is the grin that creeps ya out.


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Posted 05 July 2005 - 12:45 PM

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The following is not addressed to any previous poster, so please don't take offense.
One of the most heinous sins, but not unforgiveable (there is no such thing to any who believe in a loving god) is to interfere with another's beliefs and to try to shove your religion down their throat when they are happy with their relationship with god. Just like in medicine, there are many different cures, and sometimes more than one version of the same drug, there is only one God and thousands of paths that all lead to god. To proselytize is like trying to make someone change from advil to ibuprofen. It is meaningless, and could hurt in the long run. There is no such thing as "one's own god", just "one's own path" to the same God. All religion boils dwon to three words in the English language "Don't hurt people!" THe rest is gloss and unnecessary. "Don't kill" because it would hurt someone. "Don't commit suicide or overdo drugs or alcohol" because you are someone. "honor your moither and father" because they are people. When people "witness" to someone who already has a path to god, and is not in a hopeless wallow of despair, they are hurting that person. This goes especially to missionaries of any faith, and those annoying pests that knock on your door.
they bring hurt, not help. if they really wanted to help others, they would limit that to providing food, etc., and just letting the others know in the least offensive manner, that they have a path to god, if needed. anything else causes pain. no-one owns god. no religion owns god. if you think your religion is the only true way, then you need to reread your scriptures. Your egotism actually separates you from god; it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not.Find your own path, and leave others alone, unless they ask. Guess what- most already know God at least as well as you do. anyone can ask God for forgiveness; religion means nothing to God. God loves you. God forgives you, and does not ignore any sincere requests


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Is that your religious belief?


some of us rely on what our hearts and minds tell us.  Mine tell me that only a cruel, sadistic, vengeful, hateful "God" could condemn his on children to an eternity of torture.  we are all God's children.  we were born that way, and don't have to beg membership in yours or anyone else's religion to return to God after our time here is over.

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Posted 05 July 2005 - 12:52 PM

QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Jul 5 2005, 10:45 PM)
some of us rely on what our hearts and minds tell us.  Mine tell me that only a cruel, sadistic, vengeful, hateful "God" could condemn his on children to an eternity of torture.  we are all God's children.  we were born that way, and don't have to beg membership in yours or anyone else's religion to return to God after our time here is over.

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Couldn't agree with you more Gideon  thumbsup.gif  

I always say you don't need membership in any religion to get to God.  Likewise I do not believe in eternal torture

Indeed, very well said.  





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