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#16    Merc14

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 14 May 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Not discussing tax attorneys but hypocrisy and how some claimed (whether true or not in both instances Obama or Bush) the administration is using the IRS to crack down on groups they don't like or agree with, the same exact thing happened then, as some are claiming has happened now (even if the WH under Obama did not approve or condone the IRS doing that).

To claim that is different based on 3 or 4 is minor, the hypocrisy is being scrutinized by some, the hypocrites will of course try to defend themselves by presenting such a minor difference that ignores what is in bold above.

The "Bush did it too card" is another ruse. Bush might have did it, Obama did not do it.

In fact the person in charge of the IRS, where the buck stops, was a Republican who Bush appointed.

It is the IRS's job to police c3 organizations.  Do some research, here I'll help
http://www.nonprofit...pt_Status.shtml

OBTW, things are breaking in this case and it is much uglier than originally thought.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:34 PM

Pointing out other bad behavior does not justify bad behavior.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:00 AM

View PostRafterman, on 14 May 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

Threadkiller.

There are big differences between c3 and c4 organizations - It's the same reason churches aren't supposed to get political.

Nice article though - trying to carry the water for Obama by playing the "Bush did it too" card.
And not for the first time, by the same OP:
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=247681

Now I'm just waiting for Obama to say it as well.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:43 PM

Chilling is all I can say about what is going on at the IRS and there can be little doubt this is run from teh top.  Maybe not IObama as I honestly don't think the man is intelligent or engaged enough to do anything but campaign and golf but this has Valerie jarret all over it.  Here is just one small example.
http://www.dailymail...ts-trained.html

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:42 PM

Now i am awaiting the thread where LBA tries to twist the DOJ's wiretapping scandal into a Bush did it too type event.
Its always entertaining watching people squirm trying to support a corrupt entity.
Sometimes its best to just say screw it, they suck, they lie, and move on.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:37 PM

I have to say this as an Obama voter.  If these allegations are true and hold water, and lead in any way to Obama, I think he should step down, or be impeached.

I am freaking tired of corruption and lies from all our elected representatives.  I don't care what party they proclaim, or if it's 'my guy' or not.

It's about time ALL of us voters start demanding better from these people.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:57 PM

It is starting to leak out that the EPA was doing similar things to conservative groups.  If Obama was oblivious to all of this he should quit as he would have to be the most incomeptent man to ever hold the office.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:05 PM

View PostMerc14, on 15 May 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

It is starting to leak out that the EPA was doing similar things to conservative groups.  If Obama was oblivious to all of this he should quit as he would have to be the most incomeptent man to ever hold the office.

It's on the Blaze website.
Check out: http://www.theblaze....-house-scandal/


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The Washington Examiner’s Michal Conger reports:
Conservative groups seeking information from the Environmental Protection Agency have been routinely hindered by fees normally waived for media and watchdog groups, while fees for more than 90 percent of requests from green groups were waived, according to requests reviewed by the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
CEI reviewed Freedom of Information Act requests sent between January 2012 and this spring from several environmental groups friendly to the EPA’s mission, and several conservative groups, to see how equally the agency applies its fee waiver policy for media and watchdog groups. Government agencies are supposed to waive fees for groups disseminating information for public benefit.


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But of the requests that were denied, “the EPA said the group either didn’t respond to requests for justification of a waiver, or didn’t express intent to disseminate the information to the general public,” Conger reports, citing documents obtained by the Examiner.
And here’s where things could become a headache for the Obama administration:


CEI, on the other hand, had its requests denied 93 percent of the time. One request was denied because CEI failed to express its intent to disseminate the information to the general public. The rest were denied because the agency said CEI “failed to demonstrate that the release of the information requested significantly increases the public understanding of government operations or activities.”
Similarly, requests from conservative groups Judicial Watch and National Center for Public Policy Research were approved half the time, and all requests from Franklin Center and the Institute for Energy Research were denied.

“Their practice is to take care of their friends and impose ridiculous obstacles to deny problematic parties’ requests for information,” said Horner.
“This is a clear pattern of favoritism for allied groups and a concerted campaign to make life more difficult for those deemed unfriendly,” he said, adding that he thinks the EPA is stonewalling CEI because it’s one of the few groups that tries to keep the fed agency accountable.



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

Shouldn't this if anything, confirm what we are saying that both parties are corrupt? I very vocally critisized Bush, now I critisize Obama for using similar tactics. It seems your arguments rely on assuming we were all conservative Bush-worshippers before Obama got elected. Guess what? They are in the same class of corrupt politicians and you should acknowledge that at this point.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

View Postsupervike, on 15 May 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

I have to say this as an Obama voter.  If these allegations are true and hold water, and lead in any way to Obama, I think he should step down, or be impeached.

I am freaking tired of corruption and lies from all our elected representatives.  I don't care what party they proclaim, or if it's 'my guy' or not.

It's about time ALL of us voters start demanding better from these people.

Somebody gets it.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

Something that bothers me about all of this is that the President has on too many occasions mentioned that he first heard about something through the news media.
Shouldn't that be a prime indicator that you have appointed too many people to provide too many layers of Govt coverage?
Its time to fire all of these Czars and non-elected underlings and let the Executive branch actually deal directly with the agencies.
I truly believe Obama may have put a stop to some of this stuff if he knew about it but he has too many people pushing their own agenda and hes not in the loop.
In the end though, he is ultimately responsible and he needs to start firing folks and fast.
And if he wants to retain any credibility whatsoever he needs to fire Holder immediately.
Obama never was ready for this job and he allowed to many other people to steer him down the wrong path.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

More from  Jim Geraghty's Morning Jolt.
The IRS Abuse Story: It's Not As Bad As You Feared. It's Worse. Much Worse.
Let me get this straight: The acting IRS commissioner who was in charge when the agency admitted its wrongdoing has resigned, but will keep his pension and there's no sign he will face criminal charges . . . and this is accountability?
Clearly, this guy was part of the problem:


At the time when tea party groups were targeted, Miller was a deputy commissioner who oversaw the division that dealt with tax-exempt organizations.
The report by the Treasury inspector general for tax administration does not indicate that Miller knew conservative groups were being targeted until after the practice ended. But documents show that Miller repeatedly failed to tell Congress that tea party groups were being targeted, even after he had been briefed on the matter.

Don't let any of your liberal friends get away with this "low-level employee" nonsense.


The director of the Internal Revenue Service division under fire for singling out conservative groups sent a 2012 letter under her name to one such group, POLITICO has learned.
The March 2012 letter was sent to the Ohio-based American Patriots Against Government Excess (American PAGE) under the name of Lois Lerner, the director of the Exempt Organizations Division.


Don't let them claim that this wasn't politically motivated:


In February 2010, the Champaign Tea Party in Illinois received approval of its tax-exempt status from the IRS in 90 days, no questions asked.
That was the month before the Internal Revenue Service started singling out Tea Party groups for special treatment. There wouldn't be another Tea Party application approved for 27 months.
In that time, the IRS approved perhaps dozens of applications from similar liberal and progressive groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.
As applications from conservative groups sat in limbo, groups with liberal-sounding names had their applications approved in as little as nine months. With names including words like "Progress" or "Progressive," the liberal groups applied for the same tax status and were engaged in the same kinds of activities as the conservative groups. They included:

  • Bus for Progress, a New Jersey non-profit that uses a red, white and blue bus to "drive the progressive change." According to its website, its mission includes "support (for) progressive politicians with the courage to serve the people's interests and make tough choices." It got an IRS approval as a social welfare group in April 2011.
  • Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment says it fights against corporate welfare and for increasing the minimum wage. "It would be fair to say we're on the progressive end of the spectrum," said executive director Jeff Ordower. He said the group got tax-exempt status in September 2011 in just nine months after "a pretty simple, straightforward process."
  • Progress Florida, granted tax-exempt status in January 2011, is lobbying the Florida Legislature to expand Medicaid under a provision of the Affordable Care Act, one of President Obama's signature accomplishments. The group did not return phone calls. "We're busy fighting to build a more progressive Florida and cannot take your call right now," the group's voice mail said.


Like the Tea Party groups, the liberal groups sought recognition as social welfare groups under Section 501©(4) of the tax code, based on activities like "citizen participation" or "voter education and registration."

The exact same folks could apply with names that didn't sound conservative, and get fast-tracked:


Eight months passed without word from the agency about the group's application, Ryun said. In February 2012, Ryun's attorney contacted the IRS to ask if it needed more information to secure its non-profit status as a 501©3 organization. According to Ryun, the IRS told him that the application was being processed by the agency's office in Cincinnati, Ohio—the same one currently facing scrutiny for targeting conservative groups—and to check back in two months.
As directed, Ryun followed up with the IRS in April 2012, and was told that Media Trackers' application was still under review.
When September 2012 arrived with still no word from the IRS, Ryun determined that Media Trackers would likely never obtain standalone non-profit status, and he tried a new approach: Starting over. He applied for permanent non-profit status for a separate group called Greenhouse Solutions, a pre-existing organization that was reaching the end of its determination period.
The IRS approved Greenhouse Solutions' request for non-profit status in three weeks.



Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:50 PM

View PostMerc14, on 14 May 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Wine that night but I enjoy beer as well, why, do you have a oproblem with beer drinkers?   Are you even old enough to drink Britney?  I am guessing not based on your reaction to being proved wrong again and again and again.  :td:   Listen, try harder, you sanctimonious little ####, you are boring me.
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 03:46 PM

It is time for the fed to shut down, rest for a year and then restart with all new people, ... using the original US Constitution and the US Bill of Rights.
Our government is filled to the brim with crooks.

And there should be a law that no president will ever have attended Harvard or Yale.
I will never ever again vote for a president that went to Harvard or Yale. Too much trash has come from those two colleges.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 03:49 PM

View Postand then, on 16 May 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

BOO YAH!!!!  :w00t: :w00t:  :tu:

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