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Billionaires secretly fund attacks on climate

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

A secretive funding organisation in the United States that guarantees anonymity for its billionaire donors has emerged as a major operator in the climate "counter movement" to undermine the science of global warming, The Independent has learnt.

The Donors Trust, along with its sister group Donors Capital Fund, based in Alexandria, Virginia, is funnelling millions of dollars into the effort to cast doubt on climate change without revealing the identities of its wealthy backers or that they have links to the fossil fuel industry.

http://www.independe...ce-8466312.html

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

Everyone that is not fooled into thinking chemtrails are mere contrails knows this already.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:02 PM

Doesn't surprise me.  I think people are starting to wake up to the fact of global warming in spite of them.  Can't hide the truth forever.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:05 PM

My favorite: "The trust has given money to the Competitive Enterprise Institute which is currently being sued for defamation by Professor Michael Mann of Pennsylvania University, an eminent climatologist, whose affidavit claims that he was accused of scientific fraud and compared to a convicted child molester."

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

View PostHilander, on 25 January 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

Doesn't surprise me.  I think people are starting to wake up to the fact of global warming in spite of them.  Can't hide the truth forever.
there has been NO global warming for sixteen years during which time human carbon dioxide emissions have increased 30%. people have awoken to this fact.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:38 PM

View PostHasina, on 25 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

My favorite: "The trust has given money to the Competitive Enterprise Institute which is currently being sued for defamation by Professor Michael Mann of Pennsylvania University, an eminent climatologist, whose affidavit claims that he was accused of scientific fraud and compared to a convicted child molester."
funny that Michael Mann claims in his affidavit that he has won the Nobel Prize - he hasn't. so in his defence against allegations of fraud, he submits a legal document to a court fraudulently misrepresenting his qualifications. too funny.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:40 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 25 January 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

funny that Michael Mann claims in his affidavit that he has won the Nobel Prize - he hasn't. so in his defence against allegations of fraud, he submits a legal document to a court fraudulently misrepresenting his qualifications. too funny.
When things become politicized, everyone will end up dirty. Politicizing climate research, on both sides, is stupid. Politics is about making your point a 'fact' not about the 'truth' or doing something that works. Neither side wants to do anything, they don't want to do what's right, it's money for both sides!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

I raise the question. What are you personally going to do about it ?


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

there is nothing in this article stating how this money has corrupted anyone. anyone who works gets funding from someone.
merely implying that anonymous funding corrupts people is real stupid.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

View PostHasina, on 25 January 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

When things become politicized, everyone will end up dirty. Politicizing climate research, on both sides, is stupid. Politics is about making your point a 'fact' not about the 'truth' or doing something that works. Neither side wants to do anything, they don't want to do what's right, it's money for both sides!
there is no empirical evidence that man is causing global warming - just ask, and you will not receive.
it was always about politics and belief.

Edited by Little Fish, 25 January 2013 - 08:46 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 25 January 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

I raise the question. What are you personally going to do about it ?
F-if I know, since the scientist can't even agree on if it's happening, what's causing it and numerous other things that politics has forced into opposing corners instead of conducting science.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:52 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 25 January 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

there is no empirical evidence that man is causing global warming - just ask, and you will not receive.
it was always about politics and belief.
You obviously think I'm of the view that 'global warming' is happening, it's not, it's climate change. You're also making it seem like this would be a bad thing, this 'man-made global warming' boogeyman you speak of.

In my personal opinion, we influence the climate but there are other deciding factors that affect global climate changes. If we reduced our CO2 would it 'reverse' climate change? Nope, cause climates always change.

I believe in climate change that's being caused by numerous factors including human activities. It's not the primary cause nor the only one, but should we reduce what we do that does actually cause damage? Like oil spills and the like? Oh yes. But should we head back to our hunter-gatherer phase? No. Climates will always change.

Edited by Hasina, 25 January 2013 - 08:53 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:53 PM

the carbon credit market is projected to be four times bigger than the oil market.
I think the warmists have been suckered into the pick pocket hands of the bankers (again).


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:59 PM

Im sorry what is a carbon credit market ?


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

View PostHasina, on 25 January 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

You obviously think I'm of the view that 'global warming' is happening, it's not, it's climate change.
you seemed to be championing mann whose work has been the flagship for the warmist movement and was discredited by an amateur hobbyist who receives no funding from big oil, koch brothers etc.

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You're also making it seem like this would be a bad thing, this 'man-made global warming' boogeyman you speak of.
a warmer world is not a bad thing in my opinion.

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In my personal opinion, we influence the climate but there are other deciding factors that affect global climate changes. If we reduced our CO2 would it 'reverse' climate change? Nope, cause climates always change.
there is no empirical evidence man is causing climate change or global warming. if you believe man is causing climate chanae, that's fine, but its not science to believe.





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