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#46    danielost

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 05:53 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 26 June 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

It occurs to me that more research on the problems of living in isolated environments may be needed.  The one experiment I'm aware of failed, but it struck me as mainly hype anyway.

The experament didn't fail.  The people did.  They forgot to close a door.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 05:08 AM

I vote Moon base first,  gold mining ( or anything else) on an asteroid later.  and I have to agree there has to be something valuable on the moon that could be mined before we start on the asteroids.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 05:20 AM

Well human error is the cause of most experimental failures.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 05:22 AM

View Postmysticwerewolf, on 27 June 2013 - 05:08 AM, said:

I vote Moon base first,  gold mining ( or anything else) on an asteroid later.  and I have to agree there has to be something valuable on the moon that could be mined before we start on the asteroids.
I don't perceive moon mining because of the cost of getting the stuff back to the earth.  When self-sustaining colonies are on the moon, then of course mining will happen to help maintain them rather than transporting everything from the earth.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 10:31 PM

IF we are going to populate the rest of this solar system ( which seems to be a goal for some people) we will have to learn to mine in space eventually, if for no other reason than raw materials for building. Our planet cannot  sustain being stripped of it's resources for bases on other planets, and the logistics & costs of transportation is just as bad as ( and maybe worse than)what was just mentioned by frank. IF we can get a moon base up and running as a long term colony style base, then there is a base to learn to mine in space. it's not going to be any harder getting whatever might be mined back from the moon as it would from some asteroid in the belt between mars and Jupiter, most likely not as hard and less expensive due to the distances involved. and the translation/transportation from space to earth will be just as hard and just as expensive regardless where it was shipped from. we need someplace to learn these things and a working moon base is the first step.  So again I say, I vote Moon base first,  gold mining ( or anything else) on an asteroid later.  I have to agree with one of the previous posts in that there has to be something valuable on the moon that could be mined before we start on the asteroids. Even if that value is only learning the knowledge of how to do it correctly.  In my mind A Moon Base is... has to be the first/next step. As to whether or not it ever happens???........

Edited by mysticwerewolf, 27 June 2013 - 10:47 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 11:55 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 27 June 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:


I don't perceive moon mining because of the cost of getting the stuff back to the earth.  When self-sustaining colonies are on the moon, then of course mining will happen to help maintain them rather than transporting everything from the earth.


The cost from moon to earth would be about one sixth of from earth to moon.  They could launch from the moon and use chutes to land on earth.  But, your correct we need an engine that doesn't need to be refueled every trip.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:21 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 24 June 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:


A bit of a "know-nothing" attitude (glib and ignorant).
Well instead of being rude and insulting me. Why don't you explain why the asteroid is more important. I said I can't see it. Don't be a troll and explain it to me insead of throwing a barb that explains nothing. Don't you be glib and ignorant. At least I admitted I didn't understand.


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:31 AM

View PostChooky88, on 29 June 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

Well instead of being rude and insulting me. Why don't you explain why the asteroid is more important. I said I can't see it. Don't be a troll and explain it to me insead of throwing a barb that explains nothing. Don't you be glib and ignorant. At least I admitted I didn't understand.
I'm not a troll, and what you said was glib and ignorant, and I don't appreciate your taking what I said out of context.  When someone refers to an asteroid as nothing more than a big rock, that is glib and ignorant.


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 03:25 PM

A floating rock is a metaphor. You still haven't explained yourself. I took nothing out of context, you were rude Frank as I know many things with impressive pieces of paper to prove it. None of them in the fields of science however . I genuinely want to know why landing once on an asteroid is more scientifically important than a moon base. In my uneducated opinion it's a rock because we know what they are made of and therefore have little to learn from them. A moon base seems to me to be more beneficial to getting off this planet.


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 03:32 PM

The original implication of what you said was a [useless] rock.  Now you have backed up and removed the implication, I guess to give you an excuse to get on a high horse.  If you think that my response to your thoughtless post was rude, you need a thicker skin


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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:57 PM

I still think it's useless as I am yet to be convinced otherwise. You keep making it personal on me yet you fail to give me an answer despite repeated requests. Put up or shut up.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:06 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 29 June 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

I'm not a troll, and what you said was glib and ignorant, and I don't appreciate your taking what I said out of context.  When someone refers to an asteroid as nothing more than a big rock, that is glib and ignorant.

An asteriod is just a big rock.  Earth is just a big rock.  Jupiter and saturn are just a bunch of hot gas.  Uranis and neptune are just a mixture of them both.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:11 AM

View PostChooky88, on 29 June 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

I still think it's useless as I am yet to be convinced otherwise. You keep making it personal on me yet you fail to give me an answer despite repeated requests. Put up or shut up.

I see no reason a moon base is less important than the astriod research is, unless they are testing a new rocket  or sensor.  Something along those lines.

Once in space, a ship can use an ion engine which doesn't need to be refueled.  I read that nasa is going to test a solar sail.

Edited by danielost, 30 June 2013 - 12:12 AM.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 04:56 AM

View Postdanielost, on 30 June 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

I see no reason a moon base is less important than the astriod research is, unless they are testing a new rocket  or sensor.  Something along those lines.

Once in space, a ship can use an ion engine which doesn't need to be refueled.  I read that nasa is going to test a solar sail.

A moon base is important but corporations are looking to build it.  Let them.  Get off the idea that government should do everything, it is ridiculous and unrealistic and heas led to America nit having a manned flight program.

Government doesn't do anything right, ever.  They dole out the money and industry builds it  What government can do well is explore unprofitable enterprises that may lead to great value in the future.  Let business exploit the moon as we have already been there and done that.  We broke the ground and made the impossible, possible, now let industry take over.

Make NASA do what needs to be done to drive things in the future and exploiting exotic rocks floating in space for the last 10 billion years is exceedingly exciting in my book.  We have  no idea what these things hold and precious metals may be at the bottom of the pile.  The secret to life may be floating around on those rocks you so easily dismiss.

Lastly, if you demand that government agencies lead you ask for failure.  Government breaks the ice and industry makes a product.  The internet was a small project designed to connect labs, that was turned over to the private sector for public use.  The rest is history and it would never have happened if the government was in charge.  Break your paradigms and realize that government is highly inefficient and destructive at best.  As proof see any socialist country.

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:39 AM

Thank you for your answers Merc14. I was under the impression that there were just a few type of asteroids and we knew them all, metallic, carbonaceous etc (Yes I cheated and used used Google for the carbonaceous answer).

I accept that I too easily dismissed it and I appreciate the clarification. I hereby apologise to everyone  for calling them floating rocks.

I truly hope that private industry gets more involved in the future as NASA can only do what the Washington Bean counters let them. Countries like mine (Australia) are happy to let NASA go into space and do much of the research for them with token financial and infrastructure contributions.

I think with more wealthy and forward thinking risk takers like Elon Musk coming aboard and taking the risks governments won't, it should be an exiting future!

Edited by Chooky88, 01 July 2013 - 08:40 AM.





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