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How many of you do and don't believe in God?


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#151    Zaphod222

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 29 January 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

Science is the knowledge and understanding derived from such phenomena, science comes from the latin word "scientia" which means knowledge.

The word comes from "knowledge", but that is now how science is defined. Science is not knowledge; it is the scientic method. I.e. how knowledge is aquired -- not by divine inspiration or a dream in a cave, but by observation and logical thought.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

Were that distinguishing genuine science and false science were so easy.  Lots of intelligent people observe carefully and think logically and come to diametrically opposite conclusions.  This happens especially in politics and philosophy, but also in science.

The one thing about science that distinguishes it is that there seems to be some sort of flowing, developing, consensus.  It changes over time and therefore is not absolute, but it is there nevertheless and generally extremely reliable.  I think this is possible in part because science in our world is limited to a fairly narrow range of topics, and tends to mind its own business.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 30 January 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

The word comes from "knowledge", but that is now how science is defined. Science is not knowledge; it is the scientic method. I.e. how knowledge is aquired -- not by divine inspiration or a dream in a cave, but by observation and logical thought.
Science is a type of knowledge.

"Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge. This system uses observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge people have gained using that system. Less formally, the word science often describes any systematic field of study or the knowledge gained from it."

http://www.sciencema...definition.html


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 01:19 AM

I know that there is no meaningful God and/or Satan.

How do I know?

That IS NOT the question that you are TRULY asking; what you truly want to ask is How Can I [YOU] Know?


The answer to that is - You can never KNOW.

Mystic doofuses, I have done this as well, oft times yammer that "Anyone can do it," BUT the fact is...very few can do IT and even less than that will attempt "it" and fewer still will survive to arrive @ enlightenment.

Now you'll, probably, want to know what Enlightenment is - ask and ye shall receive, but.....you may not like AND........you'll never know the answer.

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 04:26 PM

dont believe in god  per-say.. but i believe i can fly, i believe i can touch the sky

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 04:35 PM

i keep reading that Jesus was a great teacher but he taught nothing that can't be found in the old testament.he may have put a different spin on it  but it was the same message

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:06 PM

I believe in God.


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 11:19 PM

View Postfullywired, on 18 February 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

i keep reading that Jesus was a great teacher but he taught nothing that can't be found in the old testament.he may have put a different spin on it  but it was the same message

   fullywired
I actually agree with this.  He taught a message also taught by other important  liberal jews (The rabbis Hillel father and son) from whom he probably learned as a young man. We can read their writings and compare them with those attributed to Christ and see the similarities.  Christ wasn't trying to start a new religion, but revitalise and reform an old one. He was part of a wider movement, in conflict with the very orthodox and conservative school which  constituted jewish authority  at that time.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 01:36 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 18 February 2014 - 11:19 PM, said:

I actually agree with this.  He taught a message also taught by other important  liberal jews (The rabbis Hillel father and son) from whom he probably learned as a young man. We can read their writings and compare them with those attributed to Christ and see the similarities.  Christ wasn't trying to start a new religion, but revitalise and reform an old one. He was part of a wider movement, in conflict with the very orthodox and conservative school which  constituted jewish authority  at that time.
You can also see their differences. Hillel, for example, was quoted as saying "don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself". A subtle, but significant difference to Jesus' famous "do unto others..." statement.

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 11:04 PM

View PostParanoid Android, on 19 February 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

You can also see their differences. Hillel, for example, was quoted as saying "don't do to others what you don't want done to yourself". A subtle, but significant difference to Jesus' famous "do unto others..." statement.
Yes.  Jesus spoke in his own way and with his own words, although you can see where he got many of his theological positions from. Christ was not the only one killed by the pharisees and other authorities of the opposing school. They also used the zealots to kill off much of its leadership. This weakened the Hillel school's influence but eventually its position was affirmed as jewish "orthodox" belief.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 11:46 PM

I realize I've missed 11 pages of discussion, but in response to the original question. I do not believe in any god(s) that have been proposed to me. I don't see any reason too, however if sufficient evidence was presented to me, I would be more than willing to accept the idea that a god exists.

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 12:18 AM

View PostHideout, on 19 February 2014 - 11:46 PM, said:

I realize I've missed 11 pages of discussion, but in response to the original question. I do not believe in any god(s) that have been proposed to me. I don't see any reason too, however if sufficient evidence was presented to me, I would be more than willing to accept the idea that a god exists.

Ah but there is the proverbial rub, isn't there. You are just expected, if not outright ORDERED to believe on command. No choice, just believe what you're ordered to.
However IF there was ample evidence to PROVE that any deity exists then there is no reason to believe, is there because you would know.

As for me I never accepted any religion nor any claim of the existence of deities. Never made sense to me.
If it is all about love for others then why does it need a religion?

Didn't Gandhi say something like "Love doesn't require a religion"?


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 12:24 AM

Do I believe in God?

I don't know.

I've never really had any experiences either way.

The longer I live, though, the more I lean toward the possiblity that there is something or someone out there who orchestrates all this chaos.  Or at least has a hand in its facilitation.


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 02:39 AM

I Don't.

So do I have time for a last smoke and a pancake or what?

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 03:05 AM

I do

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