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Can doing Sorcery get you haunted ?

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#31    Etu Malku

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 04:40 PM

View PostLostSouls7, on 28 May 2013 - 05:00 AM, said:

So I was reading about Sorcery and it sounds interesting.
It says it's black magick where the sorcerer calls up an evil demon.
Then the demon makes a pact with him to grand super natural powers or money etc.
Sorcery is the art of empowering the Self, inspiration through imagination. It is the Willed control of energy.
Black Magick is the art of uncovering hidden wisdom within, aimed at transformation of Self and environment.
Demonolatry is the art of working with Demons.

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If you do sorcery do you think it will get you haunted?
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and have any of you tried it?
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:25 PM

View PostEtu Malku, on 29 May 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

I have been a Ritualist for over 20 years . . . summoned many a Demon.



Would you be willing to share your wisdom in detail?

" many a Demon "......

Just the person I am looking for, maybe.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:33 PM

View PostxFelix, on 29 May 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Skeptics do not follow the golden rules that science sets forward. According to science, if something cannot be proven or disproven it is what's that pesky word... INCONSLUSIVE. Skeptics coming to the CONCLUSION that something is fake because nobody has proven it's existence is... Not scientific!

So yes, I am saying that you cannot be a skeptic and a scientist, because a scientist does not declare that which he cannot explain as fake.





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NOTE about #3, You say you've tried all those things and haven't experienced anything.. Well where is your proof? You seem so bent on other people proving what they believe, but you have never once proven what you believe.. All we have is your word, but when other people make statements based solely on their word... Its time to mock right? (In that last post you even accused some of being scammers)

Still waiting for proof...



You asked.....( you might want to keep this in the correct topic though )


Where is my proof?

I am not, nor have not become possessed, seen, smelled, felt, witnessed anything strange or from the normal. My wife has not either. My life has not changed, actually, have had a few good things happen, considering, in the last 3 years.

Where is my proof?

I have had 4 people ( might be more ) say they would summon spirits / demons to me. One needed my GPS, I openly put that in the public forum for them.....Nothing

Another actually threatened death on a loved one.......Nothing

Another ( you know that story )


I have officially had 4 people at the least threaten to summon things to me. Either excuses, or lack of talent end up to be the answers. I have no control of people publicly stating they can do this, and not following through.......That is some of my " proof ".....


Anyway, take it to the other topic if you want to discuss it. I get accused of bringing it up, yet people keep bringing it up on other topics because they are so upset with me. Just because I call bull****, and put my money where my mouth is.




If I post the link to that topic, it is because it is in direct response, and answers the topics question. Especially this topic.

I do the same with Bigfoot and other topics, if a thread already exists, or has some answers in it, I link it......Get over it.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:37 PM

View PostSakari, on 29 May 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

You asked.....( you might want to keep this in the correct topic though )


Where is my proof?

I am not, nor have not become possessed, seen, smelled, felt, witnessed anything strange or from the normal. My wife has not either. My life has not changed, actually, have had a few good things happen, considering, in the last 3 years.

Where is my proof?

I have had 4 people ( might be more ) say they would summon spirits / demons to me. One needed my GPS, I openly put that in the public forum for them.....Nothing

Another actually threatened death on a loved one.......Nothing

Another ( you know that story )


I have officially had 4 people at the least threaten to summon things to me. Either excuses, or lack of talent end up to be the answers. I have no control of people publicly stating they can do this, and not following through.......That is some of my " proof ".....


Anyway, take it to the other topic if you want to discuss it. I get accused of bringing it up, yet people keep bringing it up on other topics because they are so upset with me. Just because I call bull****, and put my money where my mouth is.




If I post the link to that topic, it is because it is in direct response, and answers the topics question. Especially this topic.

I do the same with Bigfoot and other topics, if a thread already exists, or has some answers in it, I link it......Get over it.

Here you are everyone, Sakari's personal experiences are his "facts" and "proof" that the paranormal does not exist.
His sole reason as to condescend onto others is because they have not shared in the same experiences, and his experiences must be the correct ones... The hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of other people's experiences worldwide.. Yea they're definitely all suffering from mental illness.

Are we done with telling other people the paranormal does or doesn't exist in a condescending manner? I can bet my last penny that we're not.

Here is a real fact:

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Now experts say they have shown that the theoretical phenomenon, whose gravitational pull is thought to hold galaxies together, exist "beyond any reasonable doubt".
The team of scientists spent 16 years studying the existence of a super massive black hole thought to be at the centre of our galaxy, the Milky Way.
While the black hole itself is invisible to the eye, the team proved its existence by tracking the motions of 28 stars circling around it.
Courtesy: http://www.telegraph...scientists.html

Einstein knew of something that could not be readily verified as true, and was mocked for it... Now we accept many of his theories as realities.

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There was always a lot of skepticism surrounding Einstein’s works.  The problem many people had was not with his math, but with the way he thought physics and math should be looked at.  He had ideas that said that experiments were not always needed to form scientific ideas.
Courtesy: http://sps.k12.mo.us...ns/einstein.htm

There is your fact, but what does the fact say? Fact: Just because someone seems to disagree with you, does not mean you are right. (You also don't have to go around calling people scammers, that's just really unwarranted.)

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

View PostxFelix, on 29 May 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

Here you are everyone, Sakari's personal experiences are his "facts" and "proof" that the paranormal does not exist.
His sole reason as to condescend onto others is because they have not shared in the same experiences, and his experiences must be the correct ones... The hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of other people's experiences worldwide.. Yea they're definitely all suffering from mental illness.

Are we done with telling other people the paranormal does or doesn't exist in a condescending manner? I can bet my last penny that we're not.






212.....



Again, I never said " paranormal does not exist "....

Yes, when people tell me they can summon demons, and say they summoned them to me, and nothing happens, that is proof. When people say they can summon things ( but oddly enough, only them, and by themselves with no witnesses ), and tell me how, and I try them ( and others try them also ), and they do not work as guaranteed, that is proof.

If I tell you adding 2% milk, a gallon a fill up, to your gas tank will save you 20 MPG in fuel, and you, and others try this and it does not work, what would be your conclusion?

I am not condescending anyone, you and others love to drag this into other threads, because you are so upset that your claims and belief ( belief stated as fact, or I would not care ) are being questioned, and proven to be very questionable.

As I said, take this to the thread it should be on. I will reply to anyone doing this. You can keep trying, but it really only shows how defensive people like this can get.

No evidence, no proof, no back up, and no keeping of their words......Just excuses, and de-railments, and lies.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:14 PM

View PostSakari, on 29 May 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

If I tell you adding 2% milk, a gallon a fill up, to your gas tank will save you 20 MPG in fuel, and you, and others try this and it does not work, what would be your conclusion?

If it didn't work, it is because you didn't believe it would work hard enough. You were skeptical of the milk theory, and therefore, did not work for you.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:20 PM

View PostP4UL N0153, on 29 May 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

If it didn't work, it is because you didn't believe it would work hard enough. You were skeptical of the milk theory, and therefore, did not work for you.

Are..are you serious?
Sorry but that is totally messed up. But I mean this in the nicest way possible.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:35 PM

View PostP4UL N0153, on 29 May 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

If it didn't work, it is because you didn't believe it would work hard enough. You were skeptical of the milk theory, and therefore, did not work for you.

It has already been proven what does and doesn't work in that field. What hasn't been proven is how thousands upon thousands of people can report seeing those who are deceased, nor has it been suggested by the scientific community that there is a mass mental illness pandemic, considering the millions who say they've had experiences that science can't explain. Science hasn't disproven anything of this topic and it'll take an awful lot for it to do so because it isn't advanced enough to understand what is actually going on.

I see how it works on the forum now. If a skeptic has had an experience, or lackthereof, then this considered proof. If a believer has had an experience, it is considered a mental illness, misinterpretation or attention seek. I wish I had been informed of this sooner.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:51 PM

View PostHeaven Is A Halfpipe, on 29 May 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

It has already been proven what does and doesn't work in that field. What hasn't been proven is how thousands upon thousands of people can report seeing those who are deceased, nor has it been suggested by the scientific community that there is a mass mental illness pandemic, considering the millions who say they've had experiences that science can't explain. Science hasn't disproven anything of this topic and it'll take an awful lot for it to do so because it isn't advanced enough to understand what is actually going on.

I see how it works on the forum now. If a skeptic has had an experience, or lackthereof, then this considered proof. If a believer has had an experience, it is considered a mental illness, misinterpretation or attention seek. I wish I had been informed of this sooner.

That's not quite how it works. Proof, or rather a proof, is the result of trial and error. If someone posits a theory, that theory is tested, and the result is negative then we consider the original theory false until such a time as it is proven true. Nothing more, nothing less. That's how it works for all science. That is also how science corrects itself.

An experience is a wholly subjective episode, based solely on the observation of whomever witnesses the event. Understanding of an unexplained experience can only be gained through one of two methods. Faith or fact. Faith too, is subjective. Facts are merely an agreed upon explanation until such a time as it is disproved or improved, yes?

Settle down. We're all on the same team here.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:13 PM

View PostP4UL N0153, on 29 May 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

That's not quite how it works. Proof, or rather a proof, is the result of trial and error. If someone posits a theory, that theory is tested, and the result is negative then we consider the original theory false until such a time as it is proven true. Nothing more, nothing less. That's how it works for all science. That is also how science corrects itself.

An experience is a wholly subjective episode, based solely on the observation of whomever witnesses the event. Understanding of an unexplained experience can only be gained through one of two methods. Faith or fact. Faith too, is subjective. Facts are merely an agreed upon explanation until such a time as it is disproved or improved, yes?

Settle down. We're all on the same team here.

I'm not the one claiming experiences, or lackthereof, provides any types of facts. The skeptics are the ones throwing "facts" around, despite how unfounded they are. I said thousands of, if not more, people have experiences that science can't explain. If a group of people sees their dead grandmother in their kitchen, what explanation does science offer? None whatsoever that I can see because it isn't in a position to understand such experiences. My thought patterns have nothing to do with faith, I'm not even religious. I come from a very scientific background, in fact. My thought patterns have to do with logic and I've, to the best of my ability, deciphered the experiences I've had and come to the conclusion that there is life after death. I can't prove my experiences just like nobody on this forum can disprove them, no matter how hard they try. I've often asked skeptics to explain group experiences in particular and they never have an answer for it. Oh, if it's a solo experience they've got all the ammo in the world but group experiences? They can't provide answers because science doesn't have any.

I highly doubt we are on the same team. I'm open minded and am open to other explanations rather than "you're crazy or a liar". Over the years, science theory and psychology have been found to be an awful lot wrong and if we hadn't questioned their conclusions then, we'd never move on.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostHeaven Is A Halfpipe, on 29 May 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

It has already been proven what does and doesn't work in that field. What hasn't been proven is how thousands upon thousands of people can report seeing those who are deceased, nor has it been suggested by the scientific community that there is a mass mental illness pandemic, considering the millions who say they've had experiences that science can't explain. Science hasn't disproven anything of this topic and it'll take an awful lot for it to do so because it isn't advanced enough to understand what is actually going on.

I see how it works on the forum now. If a skeptic has had an experience, or lackthereof, then this considered proof. If a believer has had an experience, it is considered a mental illness, misinterpretation or attention seek. I wish I had been informed of this sooner.



Dude,

This is  a open discussion forum. Get used to it, or go somewhere else. Every topic you keep getting all bent out of shape because not everyone " believes".

You are wayyyyy to sensitive man. Someone mentions going out to BBQ to you and you take it fricken personal, now that is out there man......Really out there.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 09:31 PM

View PostSakari, on 29 May 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

212.....



Again, I never said " paranormal does not exist "....

Yes, when people tell me they can summon demons, and say they summoned them to me, and nothing happens, that is proof. When people say they can summon things ( but oddly enough, only them, and by themselves with no witnesses ), and tell me how, and I try them ( and others try them also ), and they do not work as guaranteed, that is proof.

If I tell you adding 2% milk, a gallon a fill up, to your gas tank will save you 20 MPG in fuel, and you, and others try this and it does not work, what would be your conclusion?

I am not condescending anyone, you and others love to drag this into other threads, because you are so upset that your claims and belief ( belief stated as fact, or I would not care ) are being questioned, and proven to be very questionable.

As I said, take this to the thread it should be on. I will reply to anyone doing this. You can keep trying, but it really only shows how defensive people like this can get.

No evidence, no proof, no back up, and no keeping of their words......Just excuses, and de-railments, and lies.


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Dude we already went over this, you DID say that you're either a demon hunting bad ass or they "are not real".
I don't know wtf is wrong with your mind if you cant even see that you did say that.

You did condescend, as you always do Sakari. In fact you even implied people who believe in the paranormal are scammers.

If you tell me to do anything and it doesn't work, I would believe I did something wrong... But you keep saying you've done all these things, you still have not shown yourself doing a single one.


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I am not condescending anyone, you and others love to drag this into other threads, because you are so upset that your claims and belief ( belief stated as fact, or I would not care ) are being questioned, and proven to be very questionable.
You also state your belief in a factual way. Prove your belief to be fact... That's what I've been saying this entire time, and you've been avoiding and bsing the entire time...

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No evidence, no proof, no back up, and no keeping of their words......Just excuses, and de-railments, and lies.


Top signs of liars :

Overly defensive. Sometimes when a person is lying they will become extremely defensive, refusing to answer any questions and even accusing you of lying. This may mean they have something to hide.




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Same applies to you Mr.Lester...

No evidence, no proof, no back up, and no having a word to keep at all. Just pretending to be scientific but refusing to show any scientific process of anything at all. Then to top it off you run around without any "proof" telling people that there problems are not real and accusing others of being scammers...

Oh and I really like that gang quote, I see what you did Mr.Lester. You seem to have trolled yourself cause I told you to show your proof and you got defensive and called me a liar while then saying

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Overly defensive. Sometimes when a person is lying they will become extremely defensive, refusing to answer any questions and even accusing you of lying. This may mean they have something to hide.
In a post of which all you provide is a theory with milk???

Oh and then you target my gang related past aww you're not defensive at all.

Edited by xFelix, 29 May 2013 - 09:36 PM.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 09:50 PM

View PostxFelix, on 29 May 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

>>>>snip>>>>

Oh and then you target my gang related past aww you're not defensive at all.



I did not target anything, I replied to you. I was curious, and got a answer on something though.

Now, you have the balls to say all of this when you :


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Well the friends are from certain religious circles that would like to extend onto you what they call a tiny taste of the dark side. In which they would use only ghosts. You would technically have nothing to do in the matter other than supplying your name and picture and just wait for the madness ;) As far as time frame, the standard is 21 days, and things can start to happen as soon as midnight the day of and can become overwhelming as soon as midnight on day 7.

I will post here to let you know when the 21 days starts.



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The challenge stands and the 21 days starts tonight. I am going into the matter fully prepared to be "debunked", but why? Because everyone with half a brain knows that the only evidence that can be captured is that of personal encounters and all the scientific babble has not once produced a single tool that can actually record or analyze higher dimensions.

In essence, I am not in it to scientifically prove that which cannot be proven... I just want someone who continues to disrespect others beliefs to have an encounter of his own, even a minor one, so that he too can understand where others are coming from.







Then, after the fact you come in and take your ball and go home.( after a post from Heaven is a halfpipe made you upset )....You do not answer PM's, yet you do this in other topics.( come in and hassle me, and derail the thread )......


You made claims, you offered. You asked for specifics from me, you got them. You said you had " it done " and 2 days later claim you stopped it......Dude, that right there shows how much you can be trusted, or believed.

You want the last word, I can smell that, go ahead.....Start keeping this in that topic, stop derailing threads with questions that are already answered.

I might report this activity myself, because every accusation and lie you have, is answered in that thread, and you know that. You want the last word, and you are afraid people just might not believe you because of what I say, or said.....Pathetic.








Edit to add :

For getting out of crime, and the place you were in, congratulations. I know how hard that is, and I have a ton of respect for that. I did want you to know that.








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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:30 PM

View PostSakari, on 29 May 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

I might report this activity myself, because every accusation and lie you have, is answered in that thread, and you know that. You want the last word, and you are afraid people just might not believe you because of what I say, or said.....Pathetic.

First, all I want is for you to not go around saying that the paranormal is not real and being condescending to those who believe it is. You even took it to a whole new level when you started making accusations of believers being scammers. Given you do have the right to think it is not real, just as I have the right to think it is.. The difference between us is that I do not go around every thread I possibly can condescending onto people who have a different opinion than my own. I also don't go around making accusations as to others being scammers or anything of the sort. We would not have a single problem if you presented your belief in a respectful manner, just as many others do. But you don't seem to understand the concept of peacefully agreeing to disagree, you absolutely must put down people with a belief other than your own. You also keep bringing up that you have "facts" or "proof" but you don't, just as I don't! There is no way to prove or disprove any of this with our current technology, so there is no reason to mislead people into thinking we can. In my posts and my signature I always make myself clear and say that this is my opinion where you keep saying you have "proof". Your only proof is that of personal experience, and to counter your personal experience there are millions of other experiences which say otherwise.

Once more, all I want is for you to stop being condescending while telling people you have a different belief.

Btw: This is all related to the topic, because the topic asks a question about a spiritual belief. Your skeptic point-of-view is actually the one that is derailing here. If someone asks about Airplane mechanics and a Car mechanic comes along and starts debating about Airplane parts who is the derailer?

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I have a right to my beleifs, just as you have a right to not agree with them.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:11 PM

Looks like Sakari is trying to use the "scientific method"! Watch out!

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