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[Gromdor]

-Mr_Fess-, on 14 December 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

What bounce a bank account or two when I was 18 or so? Yea so what.

Was a guy that worked the power house outage circuit that was anti-taxes and anti-government.  So he refused to pay taxes for 7 years or so. Towards the end he would only work at a place a few weeks before moving on.  Ended with a chase with the sheriff's dept through the powerhouse.  He ended up getting a tax lawyer, settling and having his wages garnished to back pay the taxes.  I was just asking to see if you had a similiar interesting backstory.

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RavenHawk, on 14 December 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

You are so notoriously clueless.  Yes, I did sign up for Obamacare.  I don't want to give my company an excuse to fire me because they have to pay a penalty tax.

You mean you signed up for the insurance your company is offering; "Obamacare" is not some new form of insurance. And it doesn't matter whether you enroll in your company's insurance plan or decline it, all they have to do is offer it and there's no penalty for them (which doesn't start until 2014 anyway).

RavenHawk said:

But as I've stated before, my deductible is going up by 400%, it's at $4000 now.  

Higher deductibles are one of the right's favorite solutions to rising health costs. I'm sure they'd be delighted to hear this.

RavenHawk said:

So, I'll stop going to the doctor to check my cholesterol and such.

If you're over 35 (or under 35 and at risk for coronary heart disease), cholesterol checks are covered by your insurance plan without co-pays, deductibles, or cost-sharing.

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Evidence-based preventive services: The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, an independent panel of scientific experts, ranks preventive services based on the strength of the scientific evidence documenting their benefits.  Preventive services with a “grade” of A or B, like breast and colon cancer screenings, screening for vitamin deficiencies during pregnancy, screenings for diabetes, high cholesterol and high blood pressure, and tobacco cessation counseling will be covered under these rules.

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Gromdor, on 15 December 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Was a guy that worked the power house outage circuit that was anti-taxes and anti-government.  So he refused to pay taxes for 7 years or so. Towards the end he would only work at a place a few weeks before moving on.  Ended with a chase with the sheriff's dept through the powerhouse.  He ended up getting a tax lawyer, settling and having his wages garnished to back pay the taxes.  I was just asking to see if you had a similiar interesting backstory.

Nope. Not nearly that exciting. In fact, not one interesting thing behind it at all.

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DieChecker, on 14 December 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

Aren't you retired Ninja? How long since you've been in the Trenches? Every company offers HSA now.

Not yet. I'm working more than full time.   And yes I know most every company offers HSA. It's just that unless forced into it, few take it. In my experience.

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RavenHawk, on 14 December 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

Actually signing up for insurance usually takes place during what is called open enrollment at the end of the year.  This year is no different.

Why did you think it would be different?

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  You should come up out of the basement and ask your parents what that is and how much they pay for you.

I don't have a basement, my parents have passed decades ago. I'm 53.

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It controls healthcare.  It forces us to get insurance and it dictates what coverage it provides.  For all practical purposes, that's the government option.  It's designed to eventually become a single payer system.

It is not designed to become a single payer system. That's ridiculous. And no it's not a government option. A government option would be a government insurance company. And Congress removed that provision.

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Yes, it is a framework.  The framework of a Socialist society.  The dream of a Socialist's agenda.

YEA!! You act as if socialism is a bad thing.

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What will be interesting is that sometime by 2014, your attitude will change.

That's possible. However, for now my companies open enrollment insurance plans have NOT changed. While health care costs have skyrocketed over the past 20 years. The people demanded these changes.

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RavenHawk, on 14 December 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

Yes, it is a framework.  The framework of a Socialist society.  The dream of a Socialist's agenda.

And as usual you are wrong. The inventor of medical, unemployment, retirement and incapability insurance is a certain National Right Winger called Otto von Bismark at the insistence of industrialists to keep and further well trained employees they needed to make Germany one of the top industrial nations in the world.

It took the socialists almost  40 years (around 1900) to catch on to the concept.

[smurf0852]

as a brit i really dont get this .i live in a country where no matter what your income social standing or perceived social worth if you are ill you get healthcare that is free at the point of delivery.if tomorrow our goverment said they have to raise tax by 5% to keep it going i would be more than happy to pay it .so i would have less ,i wouldnt have as much of the money i had worked hard for ,but to me that is a small price to pay to make sure EVERYONE has equal access to healthcare.
everyone has a equal right to life birth right or wealth really shouldnt come into it .i realise the USA is a very diffrent nation to the UK but the hysteria i see about universal healthcare in the US is quite frankly disturbing.

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But wouldn't you say that food and shelter are equally attributable to being healthy as a hospital is? How come those things aren't basic human rights deducted from your paycheck? You need those things all your life. Hospitals are usually just occasional.

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-Mr_Fess-, on 16 December 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

But wouldn't you say that food and shelter are equally attributable to being healthy as a hospital is? How come those things aren't basic human rights deducted from your paycheck? You need those things all your life. Hospitals are usually just occasional.

we pay for those things as well and most of us are pleased we have that safety net to fall back on.

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I don't know smurf. I always thought our safety net in America was choice and opportunity. In England, do you guys have to buy health insurance or is your healthcare universal? I don't care much for either but I'd rather have a deduction right from my paycheck than be forced to buy something that I may or may not need. I think a universal deduction would be cheaper plus more people would pay into it. With what we have coming up the middle class gets crushed because the poor still don't have to pay into anything. The rich do, but they won't be be hurt as bad.

[Michelle]

-Mr_Fess-, on 16 December 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

I don't know smurf. I always thought our safety net in America was choice and opportunity. In England, do you guys have to buy health insurance or is your healthcare universal? I don't care much for either but I'd rather have a deduction right from my paycheck than be forced to buy something that I may or may not need. I think a universal deduction would be cheaper plus more people would pay into it. With what we have coming up the middle class gets crushed because the poor still don't have to pay into anything. The rich do, but they won't be be hurt as bad.

Actually, Silverthong broke it down for me once and the cost of universal health care, taken out in taxes, wasn't much less than what a health insurance premium would be. The only difference is, it doesn't get raised by about a hundred dollars a year.

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-Mr_Fess-, on 16 December 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

I don't know smurf. I always thought our safety net in America was choice and opportunity. In England, do you guys have to buy health insurance or is your healthcare universal? I don't care much for either but I'd rather have a deduction right from my paycheck than be forced to buy something that I may or may not need. I think a universal deduction would be cheaper plus more people would pay into it. With what we have coming up the middle class gets crushed because the poor still don't have to pay into anything. The rich do, but they won't be be hurt as bad.

everyone in employment over the age of 18 pays a tax to pay for universal healthcare for everyone.it isnt perfect if you go with something minor you have to wait ,sometimes for a few hours .however if you are seriously ill or are in an accident you are seen immediately and given some of the best healthcare in the world .
this is a right for everyone in the UK it doesnt matter who you are rich ,poor ,black ,white everyone is the same when it comes to healthcare.we consider it a part of our national identity now even though there are a lot of vulture companys foaming at the bit to try and make a profit from it .i am however proud to say that in the UK healthcare will allways be free at the point of delivery to anyone who needs it .
also if you look at the figures our taxes are not that much higher than your own considering what we get for it .

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

See, that's why you lot should have signed up to universal health care when the rest of us did - decades ago.
that way, instead of worrying about costs, you can be worrying about the cavalcade of incompetence and shocking errors of judgement being made in the medical profession like the rest of us.

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smurf0852, on 16 December 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

everyone in employment over the age of 18 pays a tax to pay for universal healthcare for everyone.it isnt perfect if you go with something minor you have to wait ,sometimes for a few hours .however if you are seriously ill or are in an accident you are seen immediately and given some of the best healthcare in the world .
this is a right for everyone in the UK it doesnt matter who you are rich ,poor ,black ,white everyone is the same when it comes to healthcare.we consider it a part of our national identity now even though there are a lot of vulture companys foaming at the bit to try and make a profit from it .i am however proud to say that in the UK healthcare will allways be free at the point of delivery to anyone who needs it .
also if you look at the figures our taxes are not that much higher than your own considering what we get for it .

See, I like that so much better than the debacle we are about to face. I hate extra taxes but if they actually go towards something good FOR EVERYBODY that's a little different. Here, our tax handlers can't appropriate half of it properly. What's the waste factor for health system? I wouldn't believe it's 100% efficient. Do the not so well off people in your country get a pass on paying like they do here? I don't mean the unemployed, I mean people who work that don't make a lot. Or is it truly everybody who works?

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-Mr_Fess-, on 14 December 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

Then I'll do what I did when i was younger and wouldn't balance my check book. I'll close my bank accounts and just cash my checks at the grocery store service desk and buy money orders for my bills. I'll miss online bill pay but that cash will be stashed somewhere ungarnishable if I were to take to shove it up your ass Obama path.

IRS garnishes your paycheck before you get your paycheck unless it's under the table