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#151    AsteroidX

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:16 PM

Im just going to reiterate at this point in the topic Holder is a leech on our Constitution and has no ability that I can see that makes him qualified to be in the position of power he is in.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 24 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

Im just going to reiterate at this point in the topic Holder is a leech on our Constitution and has no ability that I can see that makes him qualified to be in the position of power he is in.

Whereas, I see someone that's had a career in the legal profession for over 35 years, including being a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, a United States Attorney and the Deputy Attorney General.

That you disagree with him politically, on the other hand, is pretty much a given.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:37 PM

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Whereas, I see someone that's had a career in the legal profession for over 35 years, including being a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, a United States Attorney and the Deputy Attorney General.

That you disagree with him politically, on the other hand, is pretty much a given.

None of those things make him a supporter or defender of the Constitution. So you are right my point of view is a given. I judge him on his recent actions and what hes said publicly. Once he became a member of the establishment to fulfill there minorities in power quota he became part of the problem not the solution. Not ever having been a local judge in my community I cannot tell you his track record in his rulings as a judge and Im going to go out on a limb and say he was a Prosecutor in his early career and youll find some deep mud in his record. But thats just specualtion.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 24 February 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

None of those things make him a supporter or defender of the Constitution.

actually it does. It's based on the constitution.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 07:59 PM

This is his job description.

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Job Description
* Term of Office: 4 years
* As the chief law officer, ensures that the laws of the state
are uniformly and adequately enforced.
* Heads the Department of Justice, which is responsible for
providing state legal services and support for local law
enforcement.
* Acts as chief counsel in state litigation and serves as legal
advisor to the Governor, Legislature, boards, commissions and
agencies.
* Oversees law enforcement agencies, including District Attorneys
and Sheriffs.
*SALARY - $102,000

The problem: .Attorney General Eric Holder might not be sticking around for a second term.
Holder told law school students at the University of Baltimore School of Law that he does not know if he will stay in his job.


Hes overextending his appointment thus adding to the hypocrisy of this administration. Possibly. Unless he steps down.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:50 PM

View PostTiggs, on 24 February 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

Interestingly, I wasn't aware of the Manning allegations prior to your post.




If it's purposefully violated - if it's legislation with a wink, then sure.

What evidence do you have that that's the case, as opposed to, say, an overzealous military?





I've never claimed otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, EO's are constrained by PL.

Yes, constrained by PL, and more importantly, also by the USC.

I have been fascinated by the Manning case from the start, as I was by the Watada case quite a few years back.  Two courageous individuals.

You raise a very good point about the over zealous military.  That is certainly a good way to put it, and perceptive too, because that is a part of the total equation.  A US military that has been encouraged to be vicious for the better part of 11 years now.  Encouraged by and through the military chain of command, from the top down.  Books have been written about it.  Memorandums written in the White House by Office of Legal Counsel.

So yes, the sad part is that so many amongst the military get into the torture thing.

Why does Obama so happily participate, is my question.


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 24 February 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

Why does Obama so happily participate, is my question.

Why do you believe that he happily participates in it?


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:46 PM

View PostAsteroidX, on 24 February 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Hes overextending his appointment thus adding to the hypocrisy of this administration. Possibly. Unless he steps down.

There are no term limits for Cabinet positions. They serve for as long as a president wishes them to (and they agree to do so, obviously).

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:04 PM

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There are no term limits for Cabinet positions. They serve for as long as a president wishes them to (and they agree to do so, obviously).

Possibly part of the problem not the solution. BTW these type of incidents fall under Holders Job Description.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:28 PM

View PostTiggs, on 24 February 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

Why do you believe that he happily participates in it?

Because he has not ended it.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 25 February 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

Because he has not ended it.

Because the man in charge always happily participates in the illegal activities of his employees, against his direct orders to the contrary?


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:33 PM

View PostTiggs, on 25 February 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

Because the man in charge always happily participates in the illegal activities of his employees, against his direct orders to the contrary?

We all get to witness good leadership from time to time.  I know I have.  Obama's style does not evince leadership, except of a false variety.

If, for example, he had been willing to prosecute and punish those in the prior administration who had practiced torture, he would have demonstrated some measure of moral courage.  He would have been able to demonstrate that he took his oath of office seriously, and that illegal actions would not be tolerated on his watch.

Instead, he swept it all under the rug, proving himself to be both cowardly and unprincipled.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:10 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 26 February 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

We all get to witness good leadership from time to time.  I know I have.  Obama's style does not evince leadership, except of a false variety.

If, for example, he had been willing to prosecute and punish those in the prior administration who had practiced torture, he would have demonstrated some measure of moral courage.  He would have been able to demonstrate that he took his oath of office seriously, and that illegal actions would not be tolerated on his watch.

Instead, he swept it all under the rug, proving himself to be both cowardly and unprincipled.
In your opinion.

I personally believe that he was savvy enough to know that prosecuting the former Republican administration would have permanently gridlocked Congress, pitched the CIA, NSA and the military against him and divided the country to the point where civil war was inevitable.

The same reason that Ford pardoned Nixon, basically. The country couldn't take the fallout.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:36 PM

View PostTiggs, on 26 February 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

In your opinion.

I personally believe that he was savvy enough to know that prosecuting the former Republican administration would have permanently gridlocked Congress, pitched the CIA, NSA and the military against him and divided the country to the point where civil war was inevitable.

The same reason that Ford pardoned Nixon, basically. The country couldn't take the fallout.

In your opinion the country could not take the "fallout".

Instead, the country has taken the "fallout" of coming to terms with the fact that men responsible for law breaking are not prosecuted.  The country has now come to the cynical realization that the rule of law does not apply to men in government.

Which is worse?


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 26 February 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

In your opinion the country could not take the "fallout".

Instead, the country has taken the "fallout" of coming to terms with the fact that men responsible for law breaking are not prosecuted.  The country has now come to the cynical realization that the rule of law does not apply to men in government.

Which is worse?

I'm going to go with "A civil war involving the deaths of millions of innocents, with still no guarantee of being actually able to prosecute the men who broke the law".


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