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How "Ancient Aliens" have lied to you


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#16    cormac mac airt

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:42 AM

View Poststevemagegod, on 07 October 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

AA never lies to you because they always claim What if. So you got to remember that these are all just Theories. Until Proven Otherwise

No they're not. More like an intellectually stunted persons hypothesis. Actual theories can and are supported by verifiable evidence.  "What if" isn't evidence of anything other than an overactive imagination.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:05 AM

We all know that with such programmes the watchword is caveat emptor, and keep your CC in your wallet.
My main objection to AA is that they seriously disparage our ancestors intelligence and abilities. What they acheived, particulary with Great Pyramid, should fill us with pride and awe at their acheivements, and to most I think it does. But to say it could only happen because of alien help is insulting. Certainly the universe is teeming with life, and some much more advanced than us, it's just that we haven't met yet, if ever.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:45 AM

my main problem with AA is that Georgio's hair disparages the Centaui from Babylon 5.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:28 PM

View Poststevemagegod, on 07 October 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

AA never lies to you because they always claim What if. So you got to remember that these are all just Theories. Until Proven Otherwise
Yeah, and I can say 'What if the Internet had been created by the Fraggles'. See? 'Theory', until proven otherwise. ;D

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:15 PM

A very good site,and film.To be recommended if you have 3 hours to spare,it completely destroys the theories and claims by the ancient alien fringe.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:22 PM

I used AA to quit drinking....oh wait...thats something else, isnt it?

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 01:09 AM

Bravo, Harte, on a valuable find. You can be sure I added the link to my Favorites.

Anything that will help us or anyone else to dispel the uninformed twaddle on that idiotic television program, is something to keep and share.

I wonder if the producers of Ancient Aliens would have the balls to invite White and Heiser onto the program? Better yet: a debate between them and von Däniken and the other dimwitted talking heads on the program. It might be pretty embarrassing, however. I mean, who wants to see von Däniken curled up on the floor in the fetal position, shaking and crying like a baby?

Well, okay, I do.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:01 AM

I don't believe it is possible to debunk aliens with tripe like this;

"However, as all of this relates to the great pyramid’s construction, it’s important to remember that almost none of the pyramid is made from granite – except for a few things such as the roof supports for the king’s chamber. Most of the stones used were sandstone and limestone. About 85% of the stone used in the construction of the pyramids was relatively soft sandstone which was quarried right on site.[20]"

At least the concept that aliens were involved doesn't contradict facts.

Men fear the pyramid, time fears man.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:25 AM

View Postcladking, on 08 October 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

I don't believe it is possible to debunk aliens with tripe like this;

"However, as all of this relates to the great pyramid’s construction, it’s important to remember that almost none of the pyramid is made from granite – except for a few things such as the roof supports for the king’s chamber. Most of the stones used were sandstone and limestone. About 85% of the stone used in the construction of the pyramids was relatively soft sandstone which was quarried right on site.[20]"

At least the concept that aliens were involved doesn't contradict facts.

The concept that aliens were involved doesn't even bear consideration. Not for educated people, anyway. A misidentification of the stones used in the pyramid is far less embarrassing than suggesting aliens were involved.

But you found an obvious mistake. Heiser is not an Egyptologist and I rather doubt he is all that well versed in ancient Egyptian history, including the Great Pyramid, but the overall statement is true that the Great Pyramid is composed almost completely of soft, malleable stone. To be fair, however, were some poster here to say the same thing, I likely would jump on him.

I noted the citation Heiser used: Bob Brier, Jean-pierre Houdin. The Secret of the Great Pyramid: How One Man’s Obsession Led to the Solution of Ancient Egypt’s Greatest Mystery. Smithsonian, 2008. I don't own this book nor have I read it, but Houdin for certain is not an expert in ancient Egypt, and Brier's own expertise lies in pharaonic death and burial, as well as paleopathology. So if the error appeared in Houdin's book, it is understandable but embarrassing.

The overall approach is dead-on, however. Anyone familiar with the studies of ancient civilizations and who has also submitted himself to the painful experience of watching Ancient Aliens, knows how inept this TV program is. This program is, in fact, the greatest embarrassment.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:52 AM

I very seriously doubt Houdin would make such an error and it's highly improbable
Brier might.  Houdin is very competent and intelligent and wouldn't make such an
involved misstatement of facts.  

It's very easy to tear things down but far more difficult to build something.  De-
spite this obvious truism at least one attempt to dismantle G1 failed.  

If man can't even tear it down maybe it really did require aliens to build it.  

If it's really embarrassing to believe in aliens it's only because there is so very
little evidence to support it, not because the idea is so absurd.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:58 AM

Maybe it's easier for some people to believe the ancient alien theories, than to bother reading the truth from academics.
Many people think that people living thousands of years ago were just plain stupid because they didn't have computers, cars, and Walmarts.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:38 AM

View Postsynchronomy, on 08 October 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Maybe it's easier for some people to believe the ancient alien theories, than to bother reading the truth from academics.
Many people think that people living thousands of years ago were just plain stupid because they didn't have computers, cars, and Walmarts.

The "truth" about many things is highly elusive.  In some cases it is simply
assumed and the facts are appended to the assumptions.  In some cases they don't
even do basic science to test the assumptions.  

Believing in aliens can make as much sense as believing in assumptions.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:38 AM

If aliens came here in the past they certainly would do what we do if we were on an alien planet. They would leave trash. The reason is they would not want to expend the fuel necessary to boost it back into space. Also, if you are such an advanced race why would you care if the locals ever found the trash, especially if it was not, in fact, toxic or helpful to their advancement. So, where are the plastic water bottles, the pop cans, the crating materials, anything that the aliens would not take with them upon leaving to go home or elsewhere?
It's all well and good to look at myths, grand structures, and such and fantasize. But, show me the trash or the left over something, anything, they left behind that is even remotely conclusive.


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:45 AM

View Postcladking, on 08 October 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

I don't believe it is possible to debunk aliens with tripe like this;

"However, as all of this relates to the great pyramid’s construction, it’s important to remember that almost none of the pyramid is made from granite – except for a few things such as the roof supports for the king’s chamber. Most of the stones used were sandstone and limestone. About 85% of the stone used in the construction of the pyramids was relatively soft sandstone which was quarried right on site.[20]"

At least the concept that aliens were involved doesn't contradict facts.
Doesn't it? There's no evidence for them though, in fact there's more evidence for giants building the pyramids then there is for aliens doing it.


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:46 AM

View Postcladking, on 08 October 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

I very seriously doubt Houdin would make such an error and it's highly improbable
Brier might.
Houdin is very competent and intelligent and wouldn't make such an
involved misstatement of facts.  

It's very easy to tear things down but far more difficult to build something.  De-
spite this obvious truism at least one attempt to dismantle G1 failed.  

If man can't even tear it down maybe it really did require aliens to build it.  

If it's really embarrassing to believe in aliens it's only because there is so very
little evidence to support it, not because the idea is so absurd.

Just so you know cladking, I have the entire 3.97 MB download of Brier and Houdin's book. NOWHERE in the entire 255 pages did they ever make this mistake, nor is sandstone ever mentioned.

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