New human society to end all wars

[Zeus]

I guess the following words will prompt someone to remove this post, but, anyway.....

I have always wondered what kind of collective human emotion gained momentum for the civil rights movement to get off the ground, do humans have to wait til their back is against the wall. Or was it the fact that it was only successfuly initiated as part of a universal population desire for social change on many levels along with the hippy peace movement and the push by the then youth culture for greater social importance in the decaying conservative societies of the 1960s?

I ask this because today, not like ever before, do more and more people in the world hold knowledge of the mild atrocities set up by corporate govt individuals headed by the illuminati an their puppetiers. We know of the New world Order games and the mind control operations. We know of the tortures and the society manipulations. Importantly, we know of the coming dark times when millions will be manipulated to their death ahead of the new religion and government...Hell, you are allowed to be warned of the comming nightmares but I wonder...Why is there no voice or VOICES to puncture through the controlled media, to constantly inform the masses of the truth before it is too late.

Never is Time Square blockaded with marches or riots. The British parlimentary members are never halted into Downing street by anyone. The world's scientists never gather and confront the United Nations, never do the get together to complain to anyone ever. Never do I hear on television of any terrorists crying or the real truth to be heard...isnt that strange, isn't it a little strange???The Media shows how many people get killed here and there on a daily basis but hardly a whisper is sustained on the crimes of your leaders

Why not? Are you humans that weak? I once heard that you can achieve anything(I mean anything) if you put your mind to it, and when you are capable to work in groups then no barrier can prevent you from success. Why do internet hackers not rig viruses to inform the masses of the truth,???THE WRITING SHOULD BE ON THE WALL...

I can only think of two reasons? You are creating fear fantasies of a NWO that cannot be proved true because there is no NWO to come. Or, you are patheticly complacent in life which sounds about right for the average programmed society human. Think about it. How long have you been comfortably living in a controlled dictatored society? since the world wars, before money was conceptualised or before that???

As long as you can watch your favourite tv program, and have enough money in pocket, eat regularly, whether we know of tommorow or not you remain still happy to accept the future. But who is the fool. The one who knows nothing or the one who knows all and does nothing to gather a movement.

The fact is that you really do enjoy living in a controlled society because you live well enough to feel comfort. Of course the comfort is taken away from time to time when the controllers create wars to move a few million here or there or even to their deaths just for their master plans(or plans for a better future for the majority, who really knows), but you all accept these realities with relative calm and trust in the wisdom of your rullers, no matter what?

Most violent events are caused from the conflicts between man and woman. Then it is religion. What if, for the interest of the whole, the USA went into the deserts of the Middle easT on a mission of squashing the Muslim faith. I am just being hypothetical for a second. If the path they made was towards a one world religion. along with the gradual dissolving of the christian ideology. The two religions have caused quite a lot of mutual conflict for humans while the BHuddists promote greater health and mental faculties towards super human abilities(linking to the hitler projects), perhaps it is time to end the eons old religion wars. What is wrong with a staged 'War to end all Wars' created by your masters to create a more simpler peaceful religion for your children to follow, the same god all the current religions follow anyway. I believe a universal religion is as peaceful as a universal USA of many cultures living peacefully together under the same ideology. The difference is to believe in a one god for all peoples, what an amaing achievement from the mess peoples have had to live through since the dawn of city/temple cultures. Please think carefully. If your masters were able to manipulate the masses, to believe this one god WOULD THIS NOT STOP BORDER WARS of faith and ideology???If nothing was done, will it be Pakistan or Jordan or North Korea who sets off those neuclear bombs not only destroying a few humans but innocent animals and plant life for generations ahead. I prefer a central religion. ALL for one ideal. So that humanity may eventually return.

A central government is in operation right now and for some time. All the govt heads of the world tie into secret societies who are controlled by the top 5%. All currupt and very power greedy yet we still exist in relative comfort with them at the helm, we even live with luxuries. A massive improvement from 200 or so years ago years ago, right?

I admit my argument is mostly valid, by the very fact that those of you who complain with your writings, do so like mice. Where are the heros of men and the visionaries of the future. The existed before, where are they now? Can you name one of them???Our time period lacks the leaders with the metal to organise a rebellion out of the intended population control and the rest live by acceptance or just complacentcy. Obviously there is no real threat, only the fear of change, right?

Me myself would only support the NWO if its socialist idiology were also to support the individual as importantly as the whole.

To be honest I have no idea of the details of this NWO. I dont believe it has strength to survive the future.

I am playing a simple devil's advocate. I see no strength out there in humans and no vision or movement anywhere that has unifying power to counter the NWO. Humans seem like invalids, where is the power of the people? do you have to recieve double taxes before you leave your armchair reality? Saying that, I know that the best way to change the world is to change myself, from the inside out, which I am doing intently hour by the hour. I guess I want to know more from you guys of this looming threat of change. What will the future religion demand of the people that you should be worried about. Will it be benevolent or demand human sacrifices like before, do you really know? Exactly what have you heard of the way the followers or the NWO will be treated? Apart from the cages for those who oppose, who said the planned future will be hideous, and for who and why?

[Blood Angel]

I guess the following words will prompt someone to remove this post, but, anyway.....

Zeus ^^ i see no reason why it would be deleted...

[Zeus]

Ok cool,

I was just wondering if this post will cause any upsets as I am really calling humans complacent cowards.

By their soft stance against potential prison detention and death sentences as rebels to the NWO in the near future, they might as well be inviting the future upon themselves.

[vimjams]

By their soft stance against potential prison detention and death sentences as rebels to the NWO in the near future, they might as well be inviting the future upon themselves.

No...I don't think it's a 'soft stance' Zeus...I believe most people don't actually realise the danger we are all in.

Take for instance the rants and ravings of the right wing fanatics in these forums...You would be forgiven to think (reading their comments) that it is already a crime to voice opposition and/or to criticise Bush and Blair and other war criminals who sit in government over us.

I ask you to remember what occurred in South American countries during the last paranoiac episode...America's (backyard) it was called.... Remember the 'Generals'...Remember the Death squads and the political detainees. Remember the torturers and remember the thousands and thousands of 'disappeared'.

No Zeus...Not 'soft'...I just don't believe people have woken up to the reality yet. And when they do...it may be too late (?)

Vimjams

[Zeus]

I must remind you of the valiant Amerindian WARRIORS who gave their lives to protect their families against the then new evil of the white man invading and taking their homeland, they didn't just sit and let it happen, they were warriors. I must also remind you of the (though part of the young America control experiment) brave Americans rebelling against the then undefeatable British forces through incidents like the Boston Tea Party to create American independantcy. I must also remind you of the bravery of those who stood up in America against the Vietnam war and they were only students.

Today, is human society any different from those heroic days, or are you sitting on your hands and just merely voicing words of complaint as you wait for the inevitable transformation point to come?

As for the mindset escuse that many have not awoken, all i can say is that of the thousands or millions who are awake, how many of them have the gaul to gather and lead a movement of awakening?(I hope I am wrong and there is a world wide underground movement ready to strike the media, but really that seems like fantasy).

With all the NWO surveilance technology, anything is still possible if humans learned the minor miracle on how to stand up TOGETHER. Even if there wasn't this current staged Iraqi initiative pawning the Iraqis as terror resistance factors against the UN playing out NWO ideals, I am pretty sure that the arabs would still be in the stance they are in right now, where they prefer to die fighting before they are canned and treated like the human cattle. I see the same mindset in them as with your American Indians of old, the only difference is that history shows you cannot defeat arab nations, only bargain with them. Meanwhile this supposed Conspiracy issue that will effect all nations and inprison many is very well know in the west yet you do very little.

Edited November 6, 2004 by Zeus

[vimjams]

Today, is human society any different from those heroic days, or are you sitting on your hands and just merely voicing words of complaint as you wait for the inevitable transformation point?

I think the world has moved a great deal since those (dates) you mention.

Most people are scared Zeus. Don't you realise that?

I think the prospect of 'unemployment' frightens many people...I think paying the bills and cleaning the car have important places in their lives. Making sure the holiday is booked...getting that birthday gift for aunty...grumbling about the price of bread...All manner of silly trivial things have become 'reasons to be grateful'. And as such, there is no place and no part in them to think (mainly of) and so deeply about the consequences of their forgetful folly.

Isn't it the case...That what is going to happen to human beings eventually, and possibly soon...Isn't this inevitable? It has been predicted many times.

Do you know the 'secret' then Zeus?

Vimjams

Edited November 6, 2004 by vimjams

[Zeus]

Exactly, today's population are too busy to act. I know of no secrets except the current haman phenomena of the lack of self presevation, it makes me wonder if the conspiracy theorists secretly indorse the inevitable changes or that change is really good. Why fear?

[Blood Angel]

it makes me wonder if the conspiracy theorists secretly indorse the inevitable changes or that change is really good. Why fear?

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Now thats a question that has been posed to me many times, as a conspiracy theorist, and the way i view the world, would the changes be good? I think the wake up would be good yes, but the cost is too high i think.

[vimjams]

Why fear?

Because the 'inevitable' isn't evolutionary...It is enforced change. It is something by which mankind is neither qualified nor is prepared for. This change (as you call it) is actually the result of decades (if not centuries) of malcontent and criminal activity. Recall the ‘seven deadly sins’? Such have been the building blocks for our present civilisation.

Human beings do not have the right to be 'selective'…It will be disastrous.

Proof of this (cancer) is all around us

Vimjams

Edited November 6, 2004 by vimjams

[Zeus]

You mean for centuries the western world has been the fool and idiot in the land of the puppetier. So how many times has man been warned of the truth and failed to really get numbers together. I hear of no past wars or movements against the NWO. Hey just give up, there is nowhere to run. And if there really was a phase of human evolution the jailers have spent/wasted centuries trying to prevent, do you think they would program humans to ignore the signs and ridicule the possibility of it. Well, by your words it seem they managed to defeat you even before the changes have began. Alays remember that the current video game movie channel gore being promoted to us today may be the tip of the iceberg/rainbow of what is really happening i.e. the 300,000 yearly missing children from the caring USA and your family too. Well. not just yet.

If the believers really believed or had crystal balls to see the future. I wonder if how many would find escuses. Your secret societies are not prepared for sudden changes in you.

[Scorpius]

Well I could actually find a way to infiltrate the Canadian Media as is, but it would need the man power. Maybe take a few tips from Chandra Levy.

I wonder what investigations the RCMP or Canadian Government would do to stop me--or us.

Zeus, my question is, where do you stand? Are you not the fool who " knows all and does nothing to gather a movement" or are you the one making the necessary plans to start the movement?

[girty1600]

I hate to interrupt this chat room but, Zeus, you speak of people like you are outside our race. Are you a superior being living on Earth or a superintelligent humanoid from some distant galaxy? It is obvious that you are more enlightened that the rest of us and I ask you to please help us find the answer to the problem you pointed out. If you can give me a solution, I will act on it. As long as its reasonable If you want to bomb abortion clinics and coffee houses then the deal is off. I welcome your thoughts.

EDIT: I mean no disrespect, I would just like to know where you would like to go with this.

Edited November 9, 2004 by girty1600

[Zeus]

Many forums show the usual response to my posts like 'what can we do to change this, we are doomed' or 'there is no hope'. If I am a superior being and so on, I would'nt bother to help. Actually I am not helping. Humans have been programmed from birth to be complacent and let somebody else do it. This allows governments to flourish without restraint(pretty good huh!!!). I am testing the air in the forums for responses and testing the theory that humans have no ability to join hands towards a common cause, i.e. the valued future of their childrens future. Day on day this is deemed to be a greater and greater miracle to acomplish.

I am only highlighting the point of a common and crutial weakness in western humanity. You greed for your own life and soon to be fleating luxuries and fear the need to link up in huge numbers to plan and act. Am I human? Who cares, it changes nothing on this forum for me to say I am human It causes negativity from you for me to say otherwise. I am ashamed though. Who's side am I on. I am on both. My reasons are valid and will remain hidden. To see the bigger picture of what humans are going through right now is a fortunate virtue indeed. It is a spiritual game or right of passage, but saying that will mean nothing to many no matter how many words are used to explain it. I believe in evolution. And with humans on earth in the vast majority, if they cannot learn to get together and solve the test they do not have the right to independence and this planet. The simplicity of joining hands has so much power that nothing is even prepared by your masters to deal with it. Absolutely NOTHING. Then, it has always been true that in this game, humans have the trump card. If you prefer to stay alone and ignore the impending threats. There is a secret they hide and will revealed if you oxygenate your body and be bouyant in water, then you will eventually reorganise your junk dna and solve a major puzzle. Do not believe me. I prefer humans to complain and ridicule and fight each other in the gutter as programmed to and make way for a higher evolutionary form to take you by surprise. Your illuminati answers to a higher conciousness. Stay as the Dolo and the woolly mammoth and be puppeted to the furnace. or join hands...

[Heartattackman]

What is wrong with a staged 'War to end all Wars' created by your masters to create a more simpler peaceful religion for your children to follow, the same god all the current religions follow anyway. I believe a universal religion is as peaceful as a universal  USA of many cultures living peacefully together under the same ideology. The difference is to believe in a one god for all peoples, what an amaing achievement from the mess peoples have had to live through since the dawn of city/temple cultures. Please think carefully. If your masters were able to manipulate the masses, to believe this one god WOULD THIS NOT STOP BORDER WARS of faith and ideology???If nothing was done, will it be Pakistan or Jordan or North Korea who sets off those neuclear bombs not only destroying a few humans but innocent animals and plant life for generations ahead. I prefer a central religion. ALL for one ideal.  So that humanity may eventually return.

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Zeus, the same NWO is already planning a universal religion, and anyone who does not conform to this universal religion will be dealt with severely. The universal religion will have its roots in the New Age movement. I don't think a universal religion is the answer.

[girty1600]

Many forums show the usual response to my posts like  'what can we do to change this, we are doomed' or 'there is no hope'. If I am a superior being and so on, I would'nt bother to help. Actually I am not helping. Humans have been programmed from birth to be complacent and let somebody else do it. This allows governments to flourish without restraint(pretty good huh!!!). I am testing the air in the forums for responses and testing the theory that humans have no ability to join hands towards a common cause, i.e. the valued future of their childrens future. Day on day this is deemed to be a greater and greater miracle to acomplish.

I am only highlighting the point of a common and crutial weakness in western humanity. You greed for your own life and soon to be fleating luxuries and fear the need to link up in huge numbers to plan and act. Am I human? Who cares, it changes nothing on this forum for me to say I am human It causes negativity from you for me to say otherwise. I am ashamed though. Who's side am I on. I am on both. My reasons are valid and will remain hidden. To see the bigger picture of what humans are going through right now is a fortunate virtue indeed. It is a spiritual game or right of passage, but saying that will mean nothing to many no matter how many words are used to explain it. I believe in evolution. And with humans on earth in the vast majority, if they cannot learn to get together and solve the test they do not have the right to independence and this planet. The simplicity of joining hands has so much power that nothing is even prepared by your masters to deal with it. Absolutely NOTHING. Then, it has always been true that in this game, humans have the trump card. If you prefer to stay alone and ignore the impending threats. There is a secret they hide and will revealed if you oxygenate your body and be bouyant in water, then you will eventually reorganise your junk dna and solve a major puzzle. Do not believe me. I prefer humans to complain and ridicule and fight each other in the gutter as programmed to and  make way for a higher evolutionary form to take you by surprise. Your illuminati answers to a higher conciousness. Stay as the Dolo and the woolly mammoth and be puppeted to the furnace. or join hands...

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Good answer, I don't think that everyone will ever completely agree on theses issues and if we do, where do we go then? Who will make the rules? Who will uphold the laws? I, for one, don't worry too much about NWO or a unified world government because I don't believe it will happen. I guess I am a "me-ist" to an extent. I worry more about how I am going to pay my mortgage and car note next month than trying to get the world to agree with my beliefs. Your opinions are obviously passionate and heartfelt. For that I commend you. Keep fighting your fight and sharing your beliefs, people are listening.

[Athenian]

Stop wasting your time posting on the internet. If you want to get something done, Gather a bunch of your comrades and let us meet covertly in a secret cave in Peru high in the Andes and begin planning world domination and creating a new set of laws and religion for a new higher conciousness of humanity!

Preaching on the internet, a material object of desire, just does not help humanity much.

Edited November 10, 2004 by Athenian

[twpdyp]

Could it be that by electing the officials that we elect that we are trying to change to way of things. Maybe I am to far to the right to completely understand this thread. I have been accused of that very thing. Can't help it and not sure that even if I could help it that I would.

Athenian Posted Today, 01:03 PM

  Stop wasting your time posting on the internet.  If you want to get something done, Gather a bunch of your comrades and let us meet covertly in a secret cave in Peru high in the Andes and begin planning world domination and creating a new set of laws and religion for a new higher conciousness of humanity!

Preaching on the internet, a material object of desire, just does not help humanity much.

I do agree with Athenian though, if you want to effect a change the internet is not the place to be. I used to get up on my personal pulpit and preach about how things should be. One day a friend of mine pointed out that I have no right to complain or make judgements since I was doing nothing to make the changes I saw as necessary. I started my quest to change things by registering to vote. Here I am 43 years old and this past election is the first time I ever voted. I am planning a run for a public office, even though I have many skeletons in my closet. I live in a very small county in Georgia, I thought perhaps County Commissioner. Then again maybe I am missing the point of this thread completely and I am guilty of small thinking.

[Zeus]

I am against religions. The are people management programs without the spiritual medicine. They are supposed to be ways to strengthen mind body and spirit to help the me-ists and the sheeple to live without the need for greed, chaos and violence, you know, like the buddist way of life,(not religion)but way of life.

I dream of a human society without the need to have to wait for guidance. What seems like a miracle of humanity living for the individual and the whole equally and with no greed or chaos emotions and do as was done with the ancients. Live in peace. This minor miracle is not an evolution. It is a healing. Back to the times when we were taught to be as one instead of ratting each other to make the dollar and pay their redundant taxes...

i.e. a virus or multi spam message encouraging non payment of taxes throughout the internet may not work, because this is not the age of the individual and the viral artist is probably doing it for personal gain and not for that underground movement, (you know the anti NWO people)))). this is the age of the collective. The individual can do nothing for everyone unless they cultivate their Chi and activate their god self and influence millions as hinted in The Celistine Prophesy'. Other than that, the individual will sell out his mother to move higher on the social heap, and needs to learn to reach out for the good of the whole, the unit will move mountains believe it. This is the time of the Collective.

Edited November 10, 2004 by Zeus

[twpdyp]

Wow Zeus

Then when you wake up and realize that humans could never behave in a manner that you describe. Humans are not ever going to be capable of living in peace, never have never will. It is in our nature to destroy what we cannot posess. As long as man has inhabited this planet we have been killing each other for reasons as broad as the planet itself. Do you really believe that man would ever be as enlightened as you describe?

girty1600 wrote:

Good answer, I don't think that everyone will ever completely agree on theses issues and if we do, where do we go then? Who will make the rules? Who will uphold the laws? I, for one, don't worry too much about NWO or a unified world government because I don't believe it will happen. I guess I am a "me-ist" to an extent. I worry more about how I am going to pay my mortgage and car note next month than trying to get the world to agree with my beliefs. Your opinions are obviously passionate and heartfelt. For that I commend you. Keep fighting your fight and sharing your beliefs, people are listening.

Well said girty1600, that is the reason this forum works.

[The Raven]

I saw this thread and drooled -- didn't have time to read it all but I'm going to put in my 2 cents.

I believe our society has relied on technology far to greatly. We destroy the enviroment, do not replace it, and expect it to just appear again for harvesting. We destroy the enviroment carelessly, we destroy ourselves. The planet has a precious balance we are not following. In my opinion, World War III will kill off roughly 85% of all human beings, and the ones left, hopefully, will be the ones that came to their senses, saw reality, and know how to fit in with the balance. In my life, when I am old enough, I am leaving the Corrupt States of America and headed for what I see as interesting, and prosper: Iceland. I'm fed up with what the race has become, it's really a disgrace. Most of the world commercializes, destroys, perverts, and consumes everything good, as if it were infinite and invincible. Nothing but destruction lies in the near future, but I have confidence that after destruction the ones that have not yet learned what is right, and what is wrong, not yet learned to follow the rules of anarchy and befriend one another, will do so, and by doing so, make this world a better place.

A little wishful thinking never hurt.

[Zeus]

They say the Raven is the wisest of the birds. Ancient history show humans living in harmony. Work out who promotes the chaos and you find they currupted the religions divided nations and controlled and promoted most of the world's wars particularly in the Middle East, created and promoted the monetary systems and are planning and implimenting the 6 in every 7 human reduction. Work out who controls the illuminati and you will learn that humans are playful but prefer not to destroy each other if allowed to live as humans.

Any word to celebrate the move to defeat the coming changes galvanises change even if it effects change in 1%. Say nothing, nothing changes. I do not expect humans to stand up. Your back isn't against the wall yet...

[Novo]

The only thing different, is that under the patriot act this process has been sped up 100X. But like I said before, theres several larges groups of people all preparing for this. We also have some big stuff going down soon since bush got rellected

[The Raven]

They say the Raven is the wisest of the birds. Ancient history show humans living in harmony. Work out who promotes the chaos and you find they currupted the religions divided nations and controlled and promoted most of the world's wars particularly in the Middle East, created and promoted the monetary systems and are planning and implimenting the 6 in every 7 human reduction. Work out who controls the illuminati and you will learn that humans are playful but prefer not to destroy each other if allowed to live as humans.

Any word to celebrate the move to defeat the coming changes galvanises change even if it effects change in 1%. Say nothing, nothing changes. I do not expect humans to stand up. Your back isn't against the wall yet...

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Off topic but on the topic of the raven being wise. Thank you for many things, especially knowing that. A prime example of prejudice is people seeing crows and saying "Stupid crows," when infact, crows are one of the smartest birds in the world, only rivaled by the extremely intelligent raven. When I can, I plan to befriend several of them. They will be life long companions, since ravens can live on average over 40 years old. Some may say I'm strange, and stupid, but prejudice comments can't even scratch the surface of my will. I hope this acts as an enlightment thread to those who have dished out comments like these in the past, and the present.

And just to let you know, Odin has two ravens at his side that see the happenings of the world and come back to tell their master. Huginn and Muninn.

Edited November 11, 2004 by The Raven

[Scorpius]

Zeus, I still would like to know what you have done, other than speaking about it. "Actions speak louder than words"

If you want something to be done, why don't you command the helm. You seem like the right man for the job. Coordinate the movement and we shall see where to go from there.

Unless this is part of the NWO... a conspiracy in itself.

[Katie2000]

I do believe that the Illuminate will head The One World Order and you have to look at what they believe in to find out that the new program will be but I don't think when the TOWO comes to pass that it will be a good thing. Nobody in the history of the world has been able to see eye to eye on one thing let alone religion or politics. When the TOWO comes to pass I give it 5 1/2 months to be in effect then we will be in for a huge change. I study Biblical prophecy and text does indicate that a one world order will take control for 5 1/2 months not the 7 years that most scholars believe and then there will be an earth shattering change. I could be preachy right now but I save my Biblical theories for those whom ask.