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#391    DONTEATUS

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:52 AM

All I saw was da Leg`s ! :wacko:

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:34 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 23 April 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

I'm sorry but that is just stupid.  Your first step must be to assess the likelihood of the claim.  If it is lala (outre, bizarre, unusual) then you put it in the category that it is probably false in some way.  That should be automatic.  You can then just leave it alone if you like, but if curious or pressed, you demand far more positive evidence for such claims than for claims of ordinary events.  Further, in the absence of really good, proof-like evidence, even though the claim may be unexplained, you settle for "I don't know" rather than any sort of belief.  The stranger the claim -- the more extreme the claim -- the stronger the evidence a prudent person will demand.  Also, remember that the magician (con artist, fraudster, the true believer involved in pious fraud, whatever) knows the trick, and you are arrogant indeed if you think you can always or even often see through it.

You're unable or unwilling to view this in a fair way. Your blather doesn't even address my valid point. We shouldn't reflexively dismiss *all* (key word) claims as if we know it all. To do so is the height of arrogance, and it contributes to collective ignorance.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:10 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 24 April 2013 - 02:34 AM, said:

You're unable or unwilling to view this in a fair way. Your blather doesn't even address my valid point. We shouldn't reflexively dismiss *all* (key word) claims as if we know it all. To do so is the height of arrogance, and it contributes to collective ignorance.

That is an interesting perspective, if all you have is a smattering of a small percentage that you are of the opinion are genuine descriptions of what people have seen, is it really fair to claim that is a valid premise for the existence of anything supernatural?

As I mentioned in the last post I made, I cannot believe in things like Ghosts anymore, I have turned a corner that changes the world for me. But there was indeed a time. If these people mentioned above - the small percentage - were to retract and revise claims upon taking such a turn in life, would their original account still be considered as factual in it's original form? Or would new information discount it?

As opposed to arrogance, I would consider Frank's position more along the lines of "vigilant".

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:26 AM

I strongly belive they are demons, not ETs...

I just pray you won't be decieved my friends... :(

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:20 AM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 10 February 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Do et's exist? No proof yet. Do Demons exist? Only allegorical at best, no real proof beyond anecdotes. So my bet is they are both products of fanciful dreaming. JMO.

lol.because  you say that et do not exist. if et do not exist then where does those ufo come from. you can not deny ufo. because there has been a lot of sighting.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:38 AM

View Postjeem, on 24 April 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

lol.because  you say that et do not exist. if et do not exist then where does those ufo come from. you can not deny ufo. because there has been a lot of sighting.


Plasma, earth-lights, Black Ops, Astronomical events, atmospherical events, volcanic activity, electrical charges, parallax error and misidentification are certainly an explanation for some if not all sightings. UFO's do exist, but are in no way shape or form ET, or proof of ET. That is a connection made by personal opinion and science fiction.

You know how some people claim RADAR tracks UFO's? Not one has ever tracked a UFO going into, or coming from space. Shouldn't a spaceship head into space at some point?

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Edited by psyche101, 24 April 2013 - 06:39 AM.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:47 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 24 April 2013 - 02:34 AM, said:

You're unable or unwilling to view this in a fair way. Your blather doesn't even address my valid point. We shouldn't reflexively dismiss *all* (key word) claims as if we know it all. To do so is the height of arrogance, and it contributes to collective ignorance.
I do with you would stop this "fairness" mentality and get real.  Your attitude strikes me as a rationalization for gullibility.  Truth is not about balance and fairness, but about what the world really is.  The realistic thing is to start from non-belief and skepticism on any claim that doesn't fit with objective reality.  For the most part that is the end of it -- we only have so much time and resources to pursue outre claims further.If persuasive evidence is presented and one is curious or has some personal interest, then there is no harm and usually no danger in further query.  It is not a case of taking the view that everything of this sort is necessarily false, but one of taking the view that generally one is not going to be able to get satisfactory answers so just leave it alone and don't be afraid of cemeteries at night.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:02 AM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 24 April 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

I strongly belive they are demons, not ETs...

I just pray you won't be decieved my friends... :(

God Bless.
Maybe they are neither.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

I think ghosts are real enough maybe one sighting in a hundred, and is the disembodied life of someone dead, but not begun the rebirth process.  This is what I was brought up to think, anyway, so the possibility haunts me.  The rest -- demons and aliens -- don't belong in my world-view.

Therefore, the people around me report encounters with ghosts, but not with these other things.  Interesting how culture seems to determine what you see (or feel or hear or sense).

Now how does one dismiss a nonsense except to dismiss it?  One cannot "prove" something that doesn't exist doesn't exist.  If ghosts flitted about as they do around Harry Potter, I would think they are real, but that doesn't happen, so while they are possible, lots of things are possible.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:06 PM

I consider myself a Christian(Born, baptized, and raised Roman Catholic), but I feel that matters of faith and religion should be kept separate of science...


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:16 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 24 April 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Hrmmzzz, hosts, I'd like to believe in Ghosts, if I could talk to my dear old Dad again, I would be over the moon. So many times I could  have used his advice! Why can a Ghost not be captured? Don't some places have manifestations with claimed regular occurrences? Not all that far from where I sit be the famous Boggo Road Jail, which reportedly is rife with the Ghosts of Prisoners, 10 spirits are said to reside at the Monte Cristo Homestead in NSW just for 2 examples of the top of my head.
One question that always puzzled me is why do Ghosts have clothes? Surely clothes do not have spirits? It seems a pretty basic answer, but try asking an "expert" and watch their eyes glaze over as they come up with something on the spot. The Afterlife seems to have a history in religion alone, going back to ancient beliefs, and the many books of the dead from ancient Egypt. From what I can tell, it's an entirely man made concept, and I think all it does is help us deal with the very fact we are all going to die. Learning is not without sacrifice, losing such comforts from innocence along the way are something of an unfortunate consequence, and that is not meant in any derogatory fashion in case it sounds like that, it is as it reads, just a consequence of asking the big questions. As I mentioned, I just cannot get into Ghost stories any more, to me Ghosts are about as scary as Futurama's evil santa. I have not seen one, and I am firm in my convictions that I simply never will, so no point in wasting time being concerned about it. That's just me and my journey mind you, I don't expect others to understand or even want to, but this is where my path has lead.

Tricky question! What would I consider a Supernatural event? That is a tough one for one how feels the word supernatural should mean "something to investigate" Well, mcrom has put up some interesting links on ESP, I would consider a "bluetooth brain" as chemical if it were possible and perhaps not so much supernatural, although hugely impressive all the same, but the remote viewing links he has offered, if proven in some way shape or form. I would consider supernatural I guess.




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Mmmm I see yeah I also think that the whole afterlife thing is probably a croc I mean in my opinion when you die thats it, nothing of you  in any form is coming back.  My girlfreind believes ghosts are real whole heartedly, and I was raised not to mess with anything that would be demonic in any form or have anything to do with the paranormal....So my gaurdians believe that stuff is very real. I guess I do also, coming from that, not so much ghosts but the demonic side of the spectrum. Hope that makes sense

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:26 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 24 April 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:



Mmmm I see yeah I also think that the whole afterlife thing is probably a croc I mean in my opinion when you die thats it, nothing of you  in any form is coming back.  My girlfreind believes ghosts are real whole heartedly, and I was raised not to mess with anything that would be demonic in any form or have anything to do with the paranormal....So my gaurdians believe that stuff is very real. I guess I do also, coming from that, not so much ghosts but the demonic side of the spectrum. Hope that makes sense

It does. Catholics believe that when you die your spirit takes a long nap in your body until judgment day(hence; Rest In Peace), and as the name suggest we are all judged and sent one way or the other on that day..

That's why Catholics believe that you can't communicate with Human souls threw a medium or a Witchbourd because your great great grand Dad is suposed to be sleeping, so what ever is at the other end claiming to be him must be a nonhuman spirit, and only an Evil spirit would lie and pretend to be your dead kin, so the Spirit must be demonic...


That's what they believe anyway..

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 06:59 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 24 April 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Plasma, earth-lights, Black Ops, Astronomical events, atmospherical events, volcanic activity, electrical charges, parallax error and misidentification are certainly an explanation for some if not all sightings. UFO's do exist, but are in no way shape or form ET, or proof of ET. That is a connection made by personal opinion and science fiction.

You know how some people claim RADAR tracks UFO's? Not one has ever tracked a UFO going into, or coming from space. Shouldn't a spaceship head into space at some point?

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Many people claim that they saw human like entity but not human with UFO. That proof that UFOs are related  with  ET.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 02:22 AM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 24 April 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

I strongly belive they are demons, not ETs...

I just pray you won't be decieved my friends... :(

God Bless.

You're entitled to your opinion. You could be deceived as well as the rest of us. :yes:

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 02:27 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 24 April 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

I do with you would stop this "fairness" mentality and get real.  Your attitude strikes me as a rationalization for gullibility.  Truth is not about balance and fairness, but about what the world really is.  The realistic thing is to start from non-belief and skepticism on any claim that doesn't fit with objective reality.  For the most part that is the end of it -- we only have so much time and resources to pursue outre claims further.If persuasive evidence is presented and one is curious or has some personal interest, then there is no harm and usually no danger in further query.  It is not a case of taking the view that everything of this sort is necessarily false, but one of taking the view that generally one is not going to be able to get satisfactory answers so just leave it alone and don't be afraid of cemeteries at night.

That is complete nonsense. I never implied that people should believe all claims of the paranormal. My point was that it's wrong to reflexively dismiss all such claims as if you know better than all of the people who experienced them. For instance, I'll be more willing to believe pilots and police than some skeptic, on a forum, who didn't share their experience.

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