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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#3196    Apol

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:14 AM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 28 March 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:


I never said anything about trees needing to be small (recently), I just think it was actually branches she picked up, off whatever size tree.


In fact, it might have been branches she fetched, and threw into a heap, so that the children could walk on them.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:22 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

Apol, I have noticed that you sometimes spell the OLB -W- as -VV-.

But it really is only one letter, as you can see here:

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It is in fact written VVRALDA in this place (96/30-31), and in seven other places in the manuscript. The wrong thing may be that I wrote it Vvralda.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:40 AM

View PostApol, on 28 March 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

It is in fact written VVRALDA in this place (96/30-31), and in seven other places in the manuscript. The wrong thing may be that I wrote it Vvralda.

Can you give me a link to the site you are using?

I use Knul's transliteration here:

http://www.rodinbook...anscriptie.html

Or the original here:

http://www.oeralinda...boek/index.html


I think your page numbering is wrong.

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 March 2013 - 08:49 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:56 AM

This is page 96 of the manuscript (according to the original numbering):

http://images.tresoa...php?p=98&pm=212

"It is in fact written VVRALDA in this place (96/30-31),"

[MS 096]
01 SKЄNHЄD HAGA -
02 NAVT MIÐ PÆRLUM - HWAND HJRA TUSKAR
03 SEND WITTER
04 NAVT MIÐ GOLD - HWAND HJRA HЄR IS BLIK
05 -KANDER
06 NAVT MIÐ STЄNA - WEL SEND HJRA AGON
07 SAFT AS LAMKES AGON ÐACH TOLIK SA
08 GLANDER ÐÆT MÆN ÐЄR SKRʘMLIK IN
09 SJA NE MЄI -
10 MEN HWAT KÆLT IK FON SKЄN - FRYA
11 WЄRE WIS NAVT SKЄNER .
12 [BLANCO REGEL]
13 JA AÐE - FRYA ÐЄR SJUGUN SKЄNHЄDE
14 HЄDE HWERFON HJRA TOGHATERA MEN
15 ЄNE ELK - HACHSTENS ÐRIA URVEN HÆVE -
16 MEN AL WЄRE HJU LEDLIK ÐACH SKOLDE
17 HJU VS DJŮRA WЄSA -
18 [BLANCO REGEL]
19 JEF HJU WYGANDLIK SY -
20 HARK AÐE - ADELA IS ÐET ENGE BERN
21 VSAR GRЄVET-MAN - SJUGUN JRÐ-FЄT IS
22 HJU HACH J- ETA GRATER ÐEN HJRA LICH
23 -EME IS HJRA WISHЄD ÆND HJRA MOD
24 IS LIK BЄDE TOSЄMINE -
25 LOK ÐЄR - ÐЄR WЄRE ЄNIS EN FЄN-BRʘND
26 ÐRJU BERN WЄRON VP JENSKE GRÆF-STЄN
27 SPRONGEN -WIND BLOS FEL - ALREK KRЄTA
28 ÆND ÐJU MÆM WЄRE RЄDALAS - ÐЄR KVMT
29 ADELA -HO STЄITST ÆND TЄMEÐSTE HROPÐ
30 HJU -TRAGD HELP TO LЄ [p. 134] NANDE ÆND WR
31 - ALDA SKIL JO KREFTA JЄVA - ÐЄR HIPÐ
32 HJU NЄI T KRYL-WOD - GRIPT ELSNE TRЄJON

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 March 2013 - 09:05 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:15 AM

Every original page of the MS (photo copies), including the two letters (not numbered), plus transliteration, plus translation into Dutch, English, and German (by Knul) :

http://www.rodinbook...ipt001-050.html

http://www.rodinbook...ipt051-100.html

http://www.rodinbook...ipt101-150.html

http://www.rodinbook...ipt151-210.html

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EDIT:

Knul, your links are messed up. I have edited this post 10 times now, but the links are not ok. Anyway, people can click on the tabs on your site.

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 March 2013 - 10:14 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:19 AM

Let's see if this works:


Manuscript 001-050   
http://www.rodinbook...ipt001-050.html

Manuscript 051 -100
http://www.rodinbook...ipt051-100.html

Manuscript 101 - 150
http://www.rodinbook...ipt101-150.html

Manuscript 151 - 210
http://www.rodinbook...ipt151-210.html

For some reason I got redirected wrongly using the links in my former post, but both those and the ones here are ok now....


:blink:

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 March 2013 - 10:22 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

Can you give me a link to the site you are using?

I use Knul's transliteration here:

http://www.rodinbook...anscriptie.html

Or the original here:

http://www.oeralinda...boek/index.html


I think your page numbering is wrong.

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I'm not using any website, but Goffe Jensma's book Het Oera Linda-boek, where there are photos of every page in the original manuscript.
But you will find it at the Tresoar website also. Type pagina 98, then you will get the manuscript's page 96.

Edited by Apol, 28 March 2013 - 10:32 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:44 AM

View PostApol, on 28 March 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'm not using any website, but Goffe Jensma's book Het Oera Linda-boek, where there are photos of every page in the original manuscript.
But you will find it at the Tresoar website also. Type pagina 98, then you will get the manuscript's page 96.

I did (post 3199) and still no Wralda spelled with -VV-

Look for yourself :

http://images.tresoa...php?p=98&pm=212

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 March 2013 - 10:49 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:16 AM

View PostApol, on 28 March 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

In fact, it might have been branches she fetched, and threw into a heap, so that the children could walk on them.

:tu:

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:21 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

krill (n.)
1907, from Norwegian kril "small fry of fish."

http://www.etymonlin...searchmode=none


Kril

Levendig, opgewonden; ook in minder gunstigen zin: ongestadig, grillig.
Lively, excited, also in less favorable sense: unstable, erratic.

Also connected with 'krioelen' = to swarm

http://gtb.inl.nl/iW...=WNT&id=M035543



P.A.F. van Veen en N. van der Sijs (1997), Van Dale Etymologisch woordenboek

kril* [levenslustig] {1562-1592} verwant met kriel
kril* [lively] {1562-1592} related to kriel

http://www.etymologi.../trefwoord/kril

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OK, so what have we got now? A lively wood? An unstable erratic bush? Unstable land?............   :blink:

I was just going on this you originally posted, testing it and I think it works well.

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"kreupelhout", English:  undergrowth, underwood, brushwood
'Kreupel' (this 'kreupel') is 'crawl' or 'wriggle'in English.  Here:  entangled wood/braches near the ground.

Kriel is an old Dutch/Frisian word for something small, or crawling/creeping around 'near the ground'.

crawl (v.)
c.1200, creulen, from a Scandinavian source, perhaps Old Norse krafla "to claw (one's way)," from the same root as crab (n.1). If there was an Old English *craflian, it has not been recorded. Related: Crawled; crawling.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:24 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

I did (post 3199) and still no Wralda spelled with -VV-

Look for yourself :

http://images.tresoa...php?p=98&pm=212

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The end of the third line from the bottom!

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Edited by Apol, 28 March 2013 - 12:04 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:05 PM

View PostApol, on 28 March 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

The end of the third line from the bottom!

I think I need glasses... yes, you are right.

So we have Wr-alda/Wralda most of the times, and a couple of times VVr-alda/VVralda.

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EDIT:

Well, Knul, maybe you should start editing:

30 HJU -TRAGD HELP TO LЄ [p. 134] NANDE ÆND WR
31 - ALDA SKIL JO KREFTA JЄVA - ÐЄR HIPÐ
32 HJU NЄI T KRYL-WOD - GRIPT ELSNE TRЄJON

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Edited by Abramelin, 28 March 2013 - 12:12 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:10 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 28 March 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

OK, so what have we got now? A lively wood? An unstable erratic bush? Unstable land?............   :blink:

I was just going on this you originally posted, testing it and I think it works well.

Just think of 'creepy crawly' critters. small and lively, swarming. Entangled underwood, like the bramble. If you have a garden, you'll ''love'' bramble, lol.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:24 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

I think I need glasses... yes, you are right.

So we have Wr-alda/Wralda most of the times, and a couple of times VVr-alda/VVralda.

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EDIT:

Well, Knul, maybe you should start editing:

30 HJU -TRAGD HELP TO LЄ [p. 134] NANDE ÆND WR
31 - ALDA SKIL JO KREFTA JЄVA - ÐЄR HIPÐ
32 HJU NЄI T KRYL-WOD - GRIPT ELSNE TRЄJON

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It looks to me like it's meant to be a W - they have written the first part of the W, a V - then dipped their ink pen, then drawn the 2nd V of the letter W shape, which because they stopped and dipped their ink pen,  (you can see by the darker 2nd V) is not quite joined in the middle.

Edited by The Puzzler, 28 March 2013 - 12:26 PM.

In an mmm bop it's gone...

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:29 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 28 March 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just think of 'creepy crawly' critters. small and lively, swarming. Entangled underwood, like the bramble. If you have a garden, you'll ''love'' bramble, lol.

OK, got the picture.

In an mmm bop it's gone...




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