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#316    Ben Masada

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:38 PM

View PostCrikey, on 26 January 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:


Ha ha, so you're telling us Jesus didn't really mean it when he  said  "Love God, love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor" ?.. :)

You say doing stuff like that is against "natural human values".
Yes but Jesus wants us to overcome our base ungodly human values, we're not-  "brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed" (2 Peter 2:12)

No, I am saying nothing out of the top of my head. I am just pointing to you the Logic that Jesus had in mind. To go literal with these things, you will be working against the nature of human being. One cannot force him or herself to love. Love happens. I did not say that exercising charity is against natural human values. But one does not do "stuff like that" out of love to another as one loves himself. That's impossible. Do you do "stuff like that?" No. Does it mean you are a "brute beast, creature of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed?" Of course not! These things are found on the paper only. Reality is quite something else.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

Its a different kind of lying ...When you tell your child about santa, it is adding the magic to her Christmas.. It makes me feel good when she writes her letters.. When she finds there is none, she wont care as much, she will be older and a bit wiser  by then  and she will understand the harmless behind it.. I did and millions of others did too..  There is also the lying that you use to prevent others from feeling hurt..

I personally do not hold beliefs in the bible.. But the difference for me was - My parents tried to get me to believe as much as possible and this was put out as truth for the rest of my days... The difference is, you cannot prove these characters did not exist, so you cannot prove if people are lying about them..  Christians put this out as a fact and not in the same way as tales told about Santa .... That is a lot different from santa or a tooth fairy ..

I may no longer hold beliefs in the bible, but I do not force any of that on to my daughter  ...I will allow her to learn all about it and later make her own mind up.. It's the better option..I will do the same with little Aaron The only thing I do not allow her to believe  in is creationism...She is keen on science and is learning a lot about our planet and the universe...But she only gets that education here at home, not at the christian school she attends ....She still believes in god but thinks god started it all..

I personally think that there is a creator but not exactly how the bible tells it. 86% of the worlds population believes in some kind of creator but call
that creator by a different name and worship that creator their own way. Even Indigenous peoples like Native Americans or Australian Aborigines and
tribes in Africa believe in a creator. The bible has several Authors with different views and that's what makes it confusing. The main thing is to look
at the big picture. Don't put too much faith in science either because they have even proven themselves wrong on their findings many times.

It's good to have some skepticism so you won't be gullible & naïve. But to much of it can make you arrogant & egotistical.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

View PostMag357, on 28 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

I personally think that there is a creator but not exactly how the bible tells it. 86% of the worlds population believes in some kind of creator but call
that creator by a different name and worship that creator their own way. Even Indigenous peoples like Native Americans or Australian Aborigines and
tribes in Africa believe in a creator. The bible has several Authors with different views and that's what makes it confusing. The main thing is to look
at the big picture.

I stick with my own personal faith...It's the best way for me..  Keeping thy faith to thyself...Is much safer

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  Don't put too much faith in science either because they have even proven themselves wrong on their findings many times.   

Science doesn't require my faith...It is there to help us understand more about our planet and universe...  It is educational.. This is what my 7 year old loves most ...Long may that continue

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

I stick with my own personal faith...It's the best way for me..  Keeping thy faith to thyself...Is much safer

If everyone done that and respected each other for doing so... Our world would make one huge step towards peace. :tu:

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Science doesn't require my faith...It is there to help us understand more about our planet and universe...  It is educational.. This is what my 7 year old loves most ...Long may that continue

There is people who treat it like a religion though, those people annoy me just as much as religious extremists. They don't even understand science. They just quote things, like someone quoting a bible. lol

Science isn't supposed to be 1 way, like a written scripture is. It's supposed to evolve. (ironically) Always good to have an open mind when learning Science and realise that it's not the be all and end all. I imagine from what I know from you already that you teach your daughter something like that anyway, so not aiming this at you. :tu:

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:22 PM

View PostCoffey, on 28 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

If everyone done that and respected each other for doing so... Our world would make one huge step towards peace. :tu:



There is people who treat it like a religion though, those people annoy me just as much as religious extremists. They don't even understand science. They just quote things, like someone quoting a bible. lol

Science isn't supposed to be 1 way, like a written scripture is. It's supposed to evolve. (ironically) Always good to have an open mind when learning Science and realise that it's not the be all and end all. I imagine from what I know from you already that you teach your daughter something like that anyway, so not aiming this at you. :tu:

Becky holds a strong liking to the universe..She begun reading space books ( for kids of course ) from she was 6 years old.. She did well in her school work, so when she wrote asking santa for a telescope, we got her one.. Because my hubby was into physics ( has his A'Levels in Physics) he was keen on the idea to get the telescope.. I was thinking of one around £50 or so, but because he wanted a better one he paid a good bit more and got a big telescope...I think he bought it more for him...They put it to good use and have taken pictures of Jupiter.

As you are from the UK, you may remember a few weeks ago, they were doing a live special called - Stargazing Live,  hosted by Dara O' Brian and Brian Cox, which featured Brian May from the band Queen.. I should say Dr Brian May, as he has his PHD in astrophysics, which was something I never knew  ...They had a crew from the BBC over in our neck of the woods, so of course Becky and her dad had to pack up the telescope and we all headed out ...  Becky is forever at her telescope on a clear night...  If you were to speak to Becky to ask her questions about the planets, you would be surprised what that little girl could tell you  ...  With that, and the books she takes home reading up on the planet, ( weathers, volcanoes etc )  I hope she goes on to do well.  She has been to Armagh Planetarium several times now, and hopes one day to visit Kennedy Space Centre...

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:35 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

Becky holds a strong liking to the universe..She begun reading space books ( for kids of course ) from she was 6 years old.. She did well in her school work, so when she wrote asking santa for a telescope, we got her one.. Because my hubby was into physics ( has his A'Levels in Physics) he was keen on the idea to get the telescope.. I was thinking of one around £50 or so, but because he wanted a better one he paid a good bit more and got a big telescope...I think he bought it more for him...They put it to good use and have taken pictures of Jupiter.

As you are from the UK, you may remember a few weeks ago, they were doing a live special called - Stargazing Live,  hosted by Dara O' Brian and Brian Cox, which featured Brian May from the band Queen.. I should say Dr Brian May, as he has his PHD in astrophysics, which was something I never knew  ...They had a crew from the BBC over in our neck of the woods, so of course Becky and her dad had to pack up the telescope and we all headed out ...  Becky is forever at her telescope on a clear night...  If you were to speak to Becky to ask her questions about the planets, you would be surprised what that little girl could tell you  ...  With that, and the books she takes home reading up on the planet, ( weathers, volcanoes etc )  I hope she goes on to do well.  She has been to Armagh Planetarium several times now, and hopes one day to visit Kennedy Space Centre...

Wow, she could have a really amazing future with that much interest at such an early stage. I wish her luck in life no matter what path she does take. Sounds very bright.

I didn't see it, I heard all about it though. I usually look out for that sort of thing. Pretty much got my head stuck out my window for at least an hour a night if it's clear. Sadly live in the middle of the city so you can guess how badly the sky has light pollution. I do miss living in the North East of Scotland for that reason, even though it rained 90% of the time, when ti didn't you would get a really good starry sky. Could see a lot.

I'm guessing it was more for him, but at least if she had lost interest it would not have been wasted. lol It's good that you are both supporting her interest in it.

Me and my housemate want to invest in a  good telescope, whats a good make a model? And what are the things to look for?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

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Wow, she could have a really amazing future with that much interest at such an early stage. I wish her luck in life no matter what path she does take. Sounds very bright.

I didn't see it, I heard all about it though. I usually look out for that sort of thing. Pretty much got my head stuck out my window for at least an hour a night if it's clear. Sadly live in the middle of the city so you can guess how badly the sky has light pollution. I do miss living in the North East of Scotland for that reason, even though it rained 90% of the time, when ti didn't you would get a really good starry sky. Could see a lot.

I'm guessing it was more for him, but at least if she had lost interest it would not have been wasted. lol It's good that you are both supporting her interest in it.

Me and my housemate want to invest in a  good telescope, whats a good make a model? And what are the things to look for?

This is the one Gary bought -> http://www.amazon.co......32&sr=8-2 It  is perfect if you are wanting to look at the moon and other planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Mars and so on.
He bought a moon filter and other attachments with it...

If you wish to go deeper into space, and see other galaxies nebulas, you'd be better off a larger aperture Newtonian reflector telescope, like this one - http://www.amazon.co..._sim_sbs_ce_1    It's worth checking out..

For either of the two telescopes, you can buy the extra attachments, that helps you connect your digital SLR camera to take great pictures...Becky has her own desktop folder of the pictures she has taken...

If you are looking at Amazon for either of the two I have shown you,  ( or any other one on the same site )  read the reviews.. I always do that before I buy anything on line

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:10 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

I stick with my own personal faith...It's the best way for me..  Keeping thy faith to thyself...Is much safer



Science doesn't require my faith...It is there to help us understand more about our planet and universe...  It is educational.. This is what my 7 year old loves most ...Long may that continue

OK that's your right. Just remember, people invented religion and people invented science and people aren't perfect.

It's good to have some skepticism so you won't be gullible & naïve. But to much of it can make you arrogant & egotistical.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:21 AM

View PostMag357, on 29 January 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

OK that's your right. Just remember, people invented religion and people invented science and people aren't perfect.

How do you invent science?... Ancient Greeks made discoveries and worked on them.. Man has forever been making discoveries and creating study..  It is not the same as inventing a god and religion ..   We study science,and we explore our natural world and universe..  Through time and discoveries made by man, man has managed to create a good understanding of the world around us and our universe........ Also how to make medicines and technology that we can trust in for most..   Man has been discovering and experimenting from he first made himself a weapon out of stick to hunt with ...  Science is not something a human invented, it is a collection of discoveries, study and how things work and evolve  It also provides us with many facts.....  Science cannot ever be put in the same boat as religion.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 29 January 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

This is the one Gary bought -> http://www.amazon.co......32&sr=8-2 It  is perfect if you are wanting to look at the moon and other planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Mars and so on.
He bought a moon filter and other attachments with it...

If you wish to go deeper into space, and see other galaxies nebulas, you'd be better off a larger aperture Newtonian reflector telescope, like this one - http://www.amazon.co..._sim_sbs_ce_1    It's worth checking out..

For either of the two telescopes, you can buy the extra attachments, that helps you connect your digital SLR camera to take great pictures...Becky has her own desktop folder of the pictures she has taken...

If you are looking at Amazon for either of the two I have shown you,  ( or any other one on the same site )  read the reviews.. I always do that before I buy anything on line


Nice one, thanks.

I was expecting it to cost a lot more. lol You get a lot for your money then.

I dunno if to wait until I move out of the city though. I mean I don't want my neighbours thinking I'm using it to perv. LOL

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

View PostCoffey, on 29 January 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Nice one, thanks.

I was expecting it to cost a lot more. lol You get a lot for your money then.

I dunno if to wait until I move out of the city though. I mean I don't want my neighbours thinking I'm using it to perv. LOL

I know what you mean... Gary usually puts Beckys telescope in the conservatory, which you know is glass all the way around including the roof..The telescope can be seen by our next door neighbor, be it is never pointed in the direction of anyones home, and our neighbors don't pay much attention, as they can see that is is always directed at the sky....  At the back of our house, there are no other houses around.. So when  the moon and Jupiter can be seen, they are always in a certain area of the night sky that does not require us to point the telescope  in the direction of anyones home.. Which is a good thing..  If the were located above people houses, that could look a bit suspect  lol Becky sometimes takes pictures of birds she see's from a great distance perching on chimney pots..  I told her to be careful no one see's her looking at the chimney pot, they might think she is spying..  So I trust her to be most careful ..She has taken so many pictures of not just the moon and Jupiter, but during the day, some birds and animals too..She just loves the idea of taking pictures of things that are so far away...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 29 January 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

I know what you mean... Gary usually puts Beckys telescope in the conservatory, which you know is glass all the way around including the roof..The telescope can be seen by our next door neighbor, be it is never pointed in the direction of anyones home, and our neighbors don't pay much attention, as they can see that is is always directed at the sky....  At the back of our house, there are no other houses around.. So when  the moon and Jupiter can be seen, they are always in a certain area of the night sky that does not require us to point the telescope  in the direction of anyones home.. Which is a good thing..  If the were located above people houses, that could look a bit suspect  lol Becky sometimes takes pictures of birds she see's from a great distance perching on chimney pots..  I told her to be careful no one see's her looking at the chimney pot, they might think she is spying..  So I trust her to be most careful ..She has taken so many pictures of not just the moon and Jupiter, but during the day, some birds and animals too..She just loves the idea of taking pictures of things that are so far away...

Yeah I don't blame her, must be a lot of fun. :tu:

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:36 PM

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If he truly is a just god (which he isn't I.M.O.) then he would have to treat everyone fairly.
If by treating everyone fairly, you mean giving everyone what s/he deserves, if he did that, I have a feeling we might all be unhappy campers.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

View PostGummug, on 29 January 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

If by treating everyone fairly, you mean giving everyone what s/he deserves, if he did that, I have a feeling we might all be unhappy campers.

So you're saying he is unjust?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:38 PM

View PostHavocWing, on 29 January 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

So you're saying he is unjust?
What I mean is, we might not be as deserving of (good) things as we think we are. Tbh, I think we all, or at least most of us (myself included) have over-inflated opinions of ourselves. I heard a really good quote one time, "The problem with taking yourself too seriously is, if you do, no one else will."

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