Can You Study Magick and Believe in GOD?

[wlynch72]

You know how you see all of these arcaic and what could be considered pagan items around the internet that involve magic?

If you read or practice any of that stuff, does that mean you're turning away from GOD?

I believe in GOD, but also don't want to be closed minded to other things going on in the world. I also don't want to have to pay for my curiosity in the next life.

Opinions?

[dlv]

You know how you see all of these arcaic and what could be considered pagan items around the internet that involve magic?

If you read or practice any of that stuff, does that mean you're turning away from GOD?

I believe in GOD, but also don't want to be closed minded to other things going on in the world. I also don't want to have to pay for my curiosity in the next life.

Opinions?

Everything in this world is magic, seen and unseen, rituals and sleep, pure sex and direct connection with the energy flow, words, numbers, and everything abstract.

[Four Winds]

You know how you see all of these arcaic and what could be considered pagan items around the internet that involve magic?

If you read or practice any of that stuff, does that mean you're turning away from GOD?

I believe in GOD, but also don't want to be closed minded to other things going on in the world. I also don't want to have to pay for my curiosity in the next life.

Opinions?

You probably won't make any "Christians" happy, but magic is part of many religions.

[brave_new_world]

You know how you see all of these arcaic and what could be considered pagan items around the internet that involve magic?

If you read or practice any of that stuff, does that mean you're turning away from GOD?

I believe in GOD, but also don't want to be closed minded to other things going on in the world. I also don't want to have to pay for my curiosity in the next life.

Opinions?

Of course you can! Magic and god are not incompatible. But a closed minded christian belief that excludes all forms of magic and magic is. As long as you keep loving that's all that matters.

Edited January 22, 2007 by brave_new_world

[wlynch72]

so does that mean that you don't think it would be a conflict to practice some of these things?

Also, can someone give me their take on meditation like this?

http://www.higherbalance.com/

[brave_new_world]

so does that mean that you don't think it would be a conflict to practice some of these things?

Also, can someone give me their take on meditation like this?

http://www.higherbalance.com/

Meditate!@! Of course it wouldn't be in conflict to do these things, meditation if anything will only help you understand god on a more personal level. The bible basicly outlines meditation itself when it says: Be still and know that I am God. Also practice magik and as much as you like as long as it doesn't interfere with you loving god and your neighbour.

If you wanna look someone up who knows alot about God and one's relationship to it I suggest you google Ramana Maharshi. He is one of the greatest christians the world has ever seen, though most christians I know and you know would completely disagree. I highly recommend you looking him up!

Edited January 22, 2007 by brave_new_world

[wlynch72]

Meditate!@! Of course it wouldn't be in conflict to do these things, meditation if anything will only help you understand god on a more personal level. The bible basicly outlines meditation itself when it says: Be still and know that I am God. Also practice magik and as much as you like as long as it doesn't interfere with you loving god and your neighbour.

If you wanna look someone up who knows alot about God and one's relationship to it I suggest you look google Ramana Maharshi. He is one of the greatest christians the world has ever seen, though most christian I know and you know would completely disagree. I highly recommend you looking him up!

thanks, bnw, I'll do that!

[dlv]

thanks, bnw, I'll do that!

Always be very careful what you put into your mind because in many cases, they are (eventually) harmful (even with all the "good" intentions attached to them) and they are very hard to eliminate from your system. Then again, one has to start somewhere. But if you feel sincerity in your heart (at all times during your pilgrimage), then surely, that should account for something, in the long run.

[Cadetak]

Walking on water, turning water into wine, curing the ill, etc. are all basically magic.

Jesus was a 10th level wizard with a robe that gave +1 to all fire magics and resisted lightning magics by one point.

[Mad Manfred]

Walking on water, turning water into wine, curing the ill, etc. are all basically magic.

Jesus was a 10th level wizard with a robe that gave +1 to all fire magics and resisted lightning magics by one point.

He also had Sandles of Hastening that gave him a +2 stamina boost when toggled.

wlynch72,

First of all, I don't believe either exists. But it's a common belief among most fundamentalist Christians that their god has ultimate control over all things. If that's the case, then how can magic (which he must of had a hand in creating) be against him? Aren't most people who call upon these forces channeling them from the same source he is? Wouldn't that bring them closer to their god?

[MakeshiftSage]

Many paths use it and believe in God, or a Goddess or even both. I have a friend whose parents are pastors. When another mutual friend of ours started attending church they drilled it into his head that meditation was opening yourself up to demonic possession, yet it is exactly what they do when they put their hands together(Meditate I mean). I've since showed my buddy some neat things about meditation, but all this aside. If you think about it there can be only one creator (Not all people thing a God or Goddess as the creator), no matter what you do do what feels right to you. Magick is just good intention sent for a positive purpose (In most cases). I thought I had a point but can't remember it. It's late =)

[+Link of Hyrule]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and suggest that it is impossible to worship (the Christian) God and also practice magick at the same time. In dealing with magic (spells, incantations, etc) what's basically happening is that you are trying to manipulate supernatural forces for your own desires. So what's wrong with this? Well, from a Christian perspective, God has said we should rely on him in all things. Prayer is the Christian version of magic, and prayer is most powerful. So when a Christian turns to other spiritual powers to get what they want, they are essentially saying "God, you cannot provide me with what I want/need, so I'm going to seek out other avenues". Thus one of the integral points of the Christian God (reliance upon God alone) has been subverted, in seeking other spiritual guidance other than God.

That said, if you are Christian, it's not my place to force you to take what I say to heart. If you want to believe other than what I've said, by all means. I can only tell you what the Bible says, and if you claim to be Christian it's up to you to choose whether what I say about teh Bible is right or whether it does not apply to you. Note that it is not wrong to study magic. A common mistake I think many Christians make is that they don't try to understand something like magic. They simply say "oh god, magic - evil", and run in the opposite direction. Well, that just puts a dampener on new friendships ("WHAT - MAGIC? AHHHHHHH, GET AWAY FROM ME SATAN"). My opinion is that study is always good. Never feel that you can't learn about things like magic. Through learning comes knowledge and through knowledge comes understanding, and through understanding comes the core to build relationships with people.

If you are not CHristian, by all means, go ahead and practice magic. I have no doubt that it works, having seen it work and dabbled in it in my earlier (pre-Christian) days. I am positive that there are spiritual entities out there that can influence the physical world. I'm not going to stop anyone doing what they wish, and I'm not going to call magic (or those who practice it) "evil".

To conclude, I believe that worship of the Christian God is incompatable with practicing magic. I believe that the power of prayer is mighty and can work just as well as any spell. To use magic shows that you do not rely on God but want to find other means of reaching your desired result. Of course, this only applies to those professing to be Christian.

Regards, PA

[__Kratos__]

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. -Exodus 22:18

I hope you have fun burning in hell.

[Nova Scotia]

The bible tells you Magic is Real . When moses went to Eygpt the magicians there could almost keep up with him in power .

Simon Magnus in the New Testament could perform magic .

Magic or real magic is just recieving power from the dark side or from Satan and the Evil Spirits that follow him .Its real power the false prophet in the future will have extreem power to do miricles that will come from Satan.

What this world keeps Forgetting is its not only the dark side that has power . A real Man of God that is Truely living a Rightous life could have extreem power given to him .

I suspect Eligah Could take On Any From the Dark Side and Win . He actually Chalenged 400 Priest of Bail at one Time and made fools out of them . Then asked for them to be Killed .

The prayers of a Rightous Man availeth Much . in other words God almighty will listen to a man than is indeed rightous and give them extreem power .

So i Guess if you want power you could dabble with the dark side (which most do) or you could persue life as a man or Woman of God . If you did ever become a real person of God .who was rightous , who was cappable of following the spirit and not the flesh . One who Could Sacrifice what ever To please God . Nothing from the Dark Side Could Compete with you in Power .

Most shows of Power in christian churches now are either complete fake or coming from the dark side ,Things like penticostalism are not from God . Its just a show of Power from the Dark side To help Keep some decieved . Not many real men of God around on this earth with power now days . I guess the world is so full of iniquity and easy life that men of God are going to their potential any more .

God Can Dish the Power out Too But it will Not Be refered to As Magic .

Simon Magnus the Sorcerer was Jelous of The Power the Men of God Had he actually tried to buy it . And i suspect he Was pretty Good at Black Magic .

If you are from God don't seek the Dark side for Power thats a Insult To the Mighty God Of ISREAL!

Edited January 22, 2007 by Nova Scotia

[John from Lowell]

Magic is the pratice of a science not yet considered a science.

Almost everything we do every day would seem like magic to those who lived 1,000 years ago.

I think God hopes we continue to evolve.

[Grandpa Greenman]

When a Christan minister does a healing or says a prayer it is not unlike what I do with a spell. If I am doing a healing I call to a Goddess like Brigit to assist me. The minister calls to his God to do the same thing. "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" is like saying "I call to the Shining Ones, The Ancestors, and the Noble Kindred. You're just using different Gods.

Nova magic is only evil if it is used by the partitioner to do evil with it. Magic its self is a tool neither evil or good. It is like a gun, only the person holding the gun is good or evil. The gun is just a tool whether to put meat on the table or to kill you neighbor is up to who holds it.

[Vicera Cinegras]

You know how you see all of these arcaic and what could be considered pagan items around the internet that involve magic?

If you read or practice any of that stuff, does that mean you're turning away from GOD?

I believe in GOD, but also don't want to be closed minded to other things going on in the world. I also don't want to have to pay for my curiosity in the next life.

Opinions?

Depends on which God you serve. According to the Bible Witchcraft is a sin. It is warned against. However, I practice with my chakra, use of chakra is not a sin, and I find it that it can bring you closer to God....if you wanna know more about PM me.....

EDIT: Read the thread and I wanted to add something. Magic is very real, the Bible would not warn against something that does not exist.

Edited January 22, 2007 by Vicera Cinegras

[Genocyde]

You know how you see all of these arcaic and what could be considered pagan items around the internet that involve magic?

If you read or practice any of that stuff, does that mean you're turning away from GOD?

I believe in GOD, but also don't want to be closed minded to other things going on in the world. I also don't want to have to pay for my curiosity in the next life.

Opinions?

og course you can, there are many groups who believe in God and practice magick, but i think the rules on what types of magick you can study will be a little stricter if you are following God

[Genocyde]

double post

Edited January 22, 2007 by Satans Adherent

[wlynch72]

dlv/Madmanfred - Your responses look like what I want to hear.Since I'm usually wrong about these things, I assume that this is not the path I should follow. I appreciate your responses because they make seem very logical to me.

P Android - I also agree that Christianity can't be compatible with, well, any othr type of belief, based on the fact that if you rely on God as it says in the Bible, then you can't do any else. I suppose it's something like telling my girlfriend I would be mad if she went to another guy for something. She's telling me I can't do enough in our relationship to keep her from going outside of it for her desires.

But what if I don't WANT to give her something that she really wants? She goes outside of the relationship, perhaps, and gets it anyway. Then I find out, get angry, and we break up. hmmm...

Kratos - I don't think practicing magick makes you a Witch. I believe in my heart that you can be a witch without practicing magick, just like you can be a Ni**er without being black.

Nova Scotia - I don't challenge or seek to challenge Gods power. I'm only trying to being open minded about the subject, but what you say sounds much like what my mother, grand mother, great grand mother, aunt or various other relatives would say.

And thank you all others for your responses.

Ultimately, I think that no source of magic (that I know of) can rightfully make the claim that they created:

The Universe/ Earth

Mankind/ Animals

Everything Else

Some may make the claim, but the price for being wrong is AWFULLY high. Does that concern any of you? That if you're wrong about your choices of magic, God(the Christian one) wouldn't be open for debate? If you're not Christian, then I guess it doesn't matter. You'll play judgement day by ear.

I guess trying to wield some type of power in front of the Arch Angel Michael might be good for that Last laugh before you burn eternally, but not much else.

Oh well, thank you all for your input, I'll be coming to some conclusion shortly, but I guess that I've basically made up my mind...

[Vicera Cinegras]

Kratos - I don't think practicing magick makes you a Witch. I believe in my heart that you can be a witch without practicing magick, just like you can be a Ni**er without being black.

Is that a racist comment? That statement combined with your name implies quite a bit.

[Vicera Cinegras]

sorry double post.

Edited January 22, 2007 by Vicera Cinegras

[wlynch72]

Vicera Cinegras- Whats a chakra?

Satans Adherent - You know, nothing personal, but I can't in Good Faith accept your opinion with the nagging feeling that your words may have an alterior motive.

[Vicera Cinegras]

Vicera Cinegras- Whats a chakra?

VC will do if you had trouble typing that. Chakra is natural spiritual eneryg that all humans have. Some people have their chakras opened some don't. Chakra is merely your natural physical energy.

[wlynch72]

Is that a racist comment? That statement combined with your name implies quite a bit.

I don't mean to come across as racist. First of all, I'm black. Second that's my name. As in the guy that gave some famous speech. Google "Willie Lynch" and you see it. 72 is my year of birth. I'm sure you didn't need to know all of that, but I've had my name my whole life. It never occured to me that someone would take that comment and pair it with my name to come up with that assumption.

Although, it does make sense.

Anyway, whats a chakra?