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#61    joc

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:43 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

I will try not to be rude but STOP LUMPING FOOD STAMPS AND UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE SAME GROUP AS WELFARE. Let's give you the benifit of the doubt. Let's say that all of the 4.4 million people on welfare in this country are lazy moochers, just sitting at home. That is less than 2 percent of the US population you are basing your political view on.

If you look at how much they pay you for food stamps, which makes up the majority of your people on "welfare," they only get a few hundred dollars. Minimum wage in ANY STATE earns you MUCH MORE than 300 dollars.

And hell, here is an idea...make the rates welfare federal (not that this would make any sense, since the cost of living varies by state) but then at least you would not have these dumbass states giving all of these lazy people free money. Maybe that states should learn how not to give away free money. Ever thought of that? Also, look at the cost of living in those states and tell me how much money they need to make a year and how much those types of wages would pay for. I imagine $11.59 an hour in Cali isn't going to get you much because I make $12 bucks an hour and working full time that is less than $25,000 a year. Do you realize how little $25,000 a year is? My wife makes $60,000 a year and we are still lower middle class in Minnesota. $25,000 a year is considered poverty for a family of 4. What I am saying is they are not living in a relaxing situation either way.

If you think 12 or 13 bucks an hour is "good money," I suggest going to college and getting a degree because anyone with a degree should make WAY more than that.
Look, the bottom line is, there is no way to know what is in the hearts and minds of the Welfare Recipients....some of them we do, some of them we know just want the check with no strings attatched.......
....and I'm not heartless...I know full well how much things cost in different states...the point I am making is not how 'well off' they have it...or how 'they are getting over on the man' or any such thing...  some of them are just plain lazy and don't want to work...so they aren't going to even if they were offered a good paying job.
Here is the point:
When you are given a government check...and I don't care what kind...unemployment, food stamps, welfare...it doesn't matter...the effect on the human psyche is the same.   It robs the person of incentive...not necessarily all incentive but it does indeed lessen the 'need' to make something happen...it is a psychological point rather than a financial point.  I know...I drew unemployment benefits once...it sucked...I couldn't afford to pay my bills and eat...so I applied for Food Stamps...I was told that I made too much money because I was drawing unemployment.   And there really honestly were not any jobs to be had where I was living...and then...Reagan said he would not under any circumstances increase the length of drawing unemployment, which, at the time was 6 months...so after 6 months...I was cut off...and I was also consequently evicted from the house I was renting...I remember searching for pennies so I could buy a loaf of bread...literally going through all the crevices in the chairs and couches...

So...I know what all that is about....but the thing is...if Reagan had extended benefits for 6 more months...I wouldn't have done anything...the little I was getting was better than nothing and I would have just set there...but...that didn't happen so I HAD to ACT, out of necessity I had to do something...I was homeless...I had to do something.  so I did...I pawned my guitar, moved my stuff into a mini-storage unit and left for Dallas...after two days my money ran out and I went to my parents home...but I did find a job...I got a bank loan of 500 bucks against my car, rented a room in a house and went to work...after 6 years...I gave a two month notice and started my own business and I have been doing that for 20+ years....

The incentive HuttonetAl...the incentive...it is everything...the deisire...Napolean Hill said that, Desire is the starting point for all achievement.   So, yeah, if you don't have the desire, if there is little incentive to do anything else...then you don't...and you stay in poverty...in my particular case...if Reagan had extended my benefits...I would have missed out huge on making my own life happen...and when Obama says, You didn't build that...I say...Kiss my ass...I did!

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:46 PM

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Welfare: Welfare can take a variety of forms, such as monetary payments, subsidies and vouchers, or housing.
Well what do you know, Welfare by definition is actually MORE than just monetary payments.

Now explain to me why your ability to achieve wages of 25k a year is my fault?
If you couldnt be bothered to go to school or learn a skill why should i have to be bothered to provide you with extra subsidies?
Turn off your data paln, your internet and your cable.
We have a very very sick view of what is considered poverty in this nation.
You call 25k poverty, on the global scale that would put you near the top 1%.

In my personal opinion if you can work you get nothing.
There are programs out there to help lift you up, But welfare for an able bodied person does nothing but subsidise their lack of ambition.
When i go to Wal-Mart i expect to be checked out by a teenager or an older retired person looking to make some spending cash.  Not a person trying to raise a family crying about a living wage.
If that person is you, then you need to use the govt programs to lift yourself up into a job that pays a living wage instead of whining about it.

lol I am trying to decide if I should respond to this or not...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

I have lived several places and would not want to live any where else. We have a great economy here. Maybe we do tax people more but you can see the results. And really? People comming from Canada to shop there? Don't buy that. I had a buddy that was going to grad school up there. He said all the towns are, are bars...

If your buddy went to UND or NDSU he is correct, we have more than our fair share of Bars as one would expect in college towns (and probabaly a dozen more than we really need).
However, we also have more hotels than any city twice the size simply to house all the Canadian visitors.
We (my wife and i) actually refuse to go to Walmart / Target or the Mall from Friday - Sunday evening because of all the traffic created and people flooding the stores.
It is absolute chaos - our population in the city is probably increased by about 25% on the weekends.
Google pretty much anything about Canada wit hND in it and you will see ads left and right letting the Canadians know how great their place is to shop etc.
If the border were locked down for 30 consecutive days the layoffs in Grand Forks and Fargo would be immense sine the service Industry is the vast majority of the employers.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:50 PM

View Postjoc, on 08 November 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Look, the bottom line is, there is no way to know what is in the hearts and minds of the Welfare Recipients....some of them we do, some of them we know just want the check with no strings attatched.......
....and I'm not heartless...I know full well how much things cost in different states...the point I am making is not how 'well off' they have it...or how 'they are getting over on the man' or any such thing...  some of them are just plain lazy and don't want to work...so they aren't going to even if they were offered a good paying job.
Here is the point:
When you are given a government check...and I don't care what kind...unemployment, food stamps, welfare...it doesn't matter...the effect on the human psyche is the same.   It robs the person of incentive...not necessarily all incentive but it does indeed lessen the 'need' to make something happen...it is a psychological point rather than a financial point.  I know...I drew unemployment benefits once...it sucked...I couldn't afford to pay my bills and eat...so I applied for Food Stamps...I was told that I made too much money because I was drawing unemployment.   And there really honestly were not any jobs to be had where I was living...and then...Reagan said he would not under any circumstances increase the length of drawing unemployment, which, at the time was 6 months...so after 6 months...I was cut off...and I was also consequently evicted from the house I was renting...I remember searching for pennies so I could buy a loaf of bread...literally going through all the crevices in the chairs and couches...

So...I know what all that is about....but the thing is...if Reagan had extended benefits for 6 more months...I wouldn't have done anything...the little I was getting was better than nothing and I would have just set there...but...that didn't happen so I HAD to ACT, out of necessity I had to do something...I was homeless...I had to do something.  so I did...I pawned my guitar, moved my stuff into a mini-storage unit and left for Dallas...after two days my money ran out and I went to my parents home...but I did find a job...I got a bank loan of 500 bucks against my car, rented a room in a house and went to work...after 6 years...I gave a two month notice and started my own business and I have been doing that for 20+ years....

The incentive HuttonetAl...the incentive...it is everything...the deisire...Napolean Hill said that, Desire is the starting point for all achievement.   So, yeah, if you don't have the desire, if there is little incentive to do anything else...then you don't...and you stay in poverty...in my particular case...if Reagan had extended my benefits...I would have missed out huge on making my own life happen...and when Obama says, You didn't build that...I say...Kiss my ass...I did!

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

lol I am trying to decide if I should respond to this or not...

Decide no longer.... you just did. :tu:


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

View Postjoc, on 08 November 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Look, the bottom line is, there is no way to know what is in the hearts and minds of the Welfare Recipients....some of them we do, some of them we know just want the check with no strings attatched.......
....and I'm not heartless...I know full well how much things cost in different states...the point I am making is not how 'well off' they have it...or how 'they are getting over on the man' or any such thing...  some of them are just plain lazy and don't want to work...so they aren't going to even if they were offered a good paying job.
Here is the point:
When you are given a government check...and I don't care what kind...unemployment, food stamps, welfare...it doesn't matter...the effect on the human psyche is the same.   It robs the person of incentive...not necessarily all incentive but it does indeed lessen the 'need' to make something happen...it is a psychological point rather than a financial point.  I know...I drew unemployment benefits once...it sucked...I couldn't afford to pay my bills and eat...so I applied for Food Stamps...I was told that I made too much money because I was drawing unemployment.   And there really honestly were not any jobs to be had where I was living...and then...Reagan said he would not under any circumstances increase the length of drawing unemployment, which, at the time was 6 months...so after 6 months...I was cut off...and I was also consequently evicted from the house I was renting...I remember searching for pennies so I could buy a loaf of bread...literally going through all the crevices in the chairs and couches...

So...I know what all that is about....but the thing is...if Reagan had extended benefits for 6 more months...I wouldn't have done anything...the little I was getting was better than nothing and I would have just set there...but...that didn't happen so I HAD to ACT, out of necessity I had to do something...I was homeless...I had to do something.  so I did...I pawned my guitar, moved my stuff into a mini-storage unit and left for Dallas...after two days my money ran out and I went to my parents home...but I did find a job...I got a bank loan of 500 bucks against my car, rented a room in a house and went to work...after 6 years...I gave a two month notice and started my own business and I have been doing that for 20+ years....

The incentive HuttonetAl...the incentive...it is everything...the deisire...Napolean Hill said that, Desire is the starting point for all achievement.   So, yeah, if you don't have the desire, if there is little incentive to do anything else...then you don't...and you stay in poverty...in my particular case...if Reagan had extended my benefits...I would have missed out huge on making my own life happen...and when Obama says, You didn't build that...I say...Kiss my ass...I did!

We can agree on much of this. Of course there are people that are going to take advantage of the system. But that is not limited to poor people. The rich and middle class do the same thing. It should not be a permanate thing, but just to help people. You just said yourself how hard it was. Is that really a way to live? Do people really desire to live like that? I mean you said you could not get food stamps because you were getting unemployment. That is kind of my point...we are not just running down the street throwing out money to people. But this mindsets happens on all levels, not just to poor people. Some people really do need help for a time. It should not be a life style though. And people should do as you did and work hard and get things turned around. But see, you needed help to do it too. It is almost like this quote...

CRAIG T. NELSON (6/2/2009): I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!

Obviously someone did help him out...Sometimes people need help to get their life turned around...
Also, you are taking Obama out of context. When he said "you didn't build that," he is saying you needed help. And you (business owners) did. They needed peopel to work for them, they needed roads, they needed shipping, they needed power, they needed raw materials. What he was saying is that you were able to make what you made because you had the help of others. You could not provide for evrything you needed yourself. You needed to rely on other people to make things work.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

View PostCapt Amerika, on 08 November 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

Decide no longer.... you just did. :tu:

lol like a real response...to what you said...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:02 PM

Sorry if i come across as a hateful person.
I truly am not.
I just get upset when the country i love so dearly is dying an economic death and the only thing anyone seems to care about is "what can i get for nothing"
There is no incentive anymore for people to be succesful, we punish the succesful by wanting to tax them more and making them out to be evil.
I just miss the spirit of adventure, Kennedy and the space program etc....
To me it just seems like our drive to be the best nation on the planet has been replaced with one of complacency and lack of will.
I didnt see greatness in Romney - just a means of slowing down the bleeding.
I dont see greatness in Obama - Just a lot of speeches well read off a teleprompter.

It truly saddens me that i cant think of a single person that i would elect that would bring excitement back to the nation, there are no more Reagans, JFK's, Lincolns or Washingtons.
My grand children will never know what it feels like to be truly excited about something like the first manned launch to the moon.
I need to leave the political portion of the forum now.
I dont want to be miserable all day.
Take care all.  :st


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:32 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

We can agree on much of this. Of course there are people that are going to take advantage of the system. But that is not limited to poor people. The rich and middle class do the same thing. It should not be a permanate thing, but just to help people. You just said yourself how hard it was. Is that really a way to live? Do people really desire to live like that? I mean you said you could not get food stamps because you were getting unemployment. That is kind of my point...we are not just running down the street throwing out money to people. But this mindsets happens on all levels, not just to poor people. Some people really do need help for a time. It should not be a life style though. And people should do as you did and work hard and get things turned around. But see, you needed help to do it too. It is almost like this quote...

CRAIG T. NELSON (6/2/2009): I've been on food stamps and welfare.  Anybody help me out?  No!

Obviously someone did help him out...Sometimes people need help to get their life turned around...
Also, you are taking Obama out of context. When he said "you didn't build that," he is saying you needed help. And you (business owners) did. They needed peopel to work for them, they needed roads, they needed shipping, they needed power, they needed raw materials. What he was saying is that you were able to make what you made because you had the help of others. You could not provide for evrything you needed yourself. You needed to rely on other people to make things work.

But that's the whole point at the end of my last post...nobody helped me...when there wasn't a check anymore...I did it.  No one helped me..I didn't ask anyone what I should do...I sat down, logically went through all the pros and cons of this and that...came up with a plan and worked the plan...all by myself...no one else helped me.  The people who hired me didn't help me.  I called them every day.  Yeah, I was staying at my folks house...and they live 100 miles from Dallas...I would have done something else...figured something out....what I'm saying is that I did do it all by myself.  And for Obama to say I didn't is an insult to my intelligence and my hard work...but I degress...

...some people do need help...until they can find a job...but it is really a catch 22...the incentive to find work is lessened considerably in a tough economy.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 07 November 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Fox news is not considered legitmate news.
Fox is just as legit as any of the other MSM.

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The Benghazi issue? See that is their problem...we just had a hurricane cause massive damage in one of the most populated areas of the country and Fox news was talking about Benghazi. They do not care about American citizens...they are more worried about some stupid incident that killed 4 people. Get over it...let it go...
HELLO??  Anybody home??  This is exactly the attitude that the MSM programs the weak minded.  This is how Obama wins, by the short term memory of his supporters.  I think that is what pisses off the rest of us.  And honestly, I am not trying to be insulting Ė these are the facts!

Do you remember the film being blamed for the riots?  Do you remember that the riots occurred on 9/11 but they werenít a terrorist attack?  Do you remember that the riots where by unarmed people?  They just happened to have their RPGs with them.  That a couple of Seals refused to obey the stand down order and went to the Embassy and gave their lives to save the lives other others?  That the commanding general in the region was refused at least 3 different times to respond?  We had fighters and a response team within an hour away.  All the fighter had to do was to buzz the Embassy with a sonic boom or two.  4 Americans held out at least 6 hours.  Then the cover up began, do you remember that?  This is the character of this Administration.  This caused massive damage to American standing in the world and our capability to handle more terrorist attacks in the future.  This has enabled more American lives to be lost than in Sandy.

Now, what about this supper storm?  I donít recall the final tally, but just over one hundred people died.  Given such a natural disaster, that is relatively light.  We find out that Obama made the same calls that Bush made but the MSM bashes Bush for Katrina.  They hammer him for not landing but it turns out that security concerns on the ground would have distracted from the rescue operations.  We donít hear about that from the MSM.  Obama meets with Christy for a quick campaign photo op and then he rushes to TheView and there is no outrage from the MSM.  The government has failed with Sandy as it did with Katrina, and you donít hear about that.  There are people still without power and they are getting hit again.  Are we going to see the aftermath of that?

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Also, maybe you should watch CNN for once, if you can turn away from Fox. They are often critical of the president and the Dems. There is a reason they are considered a legit news source...
I rarely watch CNN or FOX (at least exclusively).  If I watch those, that means Iíve usually sought information from other sources first.

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Did you know that 4.4 million, or less than 2% of Americans actually get a welfare check? Man Fox news really knows how to focus on the irrelevant...
And Welfare, SS, and other government payments take up over 40% of the budget.  No, not all are Takers but this is ridiculous.

Why are you such a putz and walking billboard for the regime?  Itís like none of the past four years have occurred or is it still Bushís fault?  I made a comment before the election that if Obama lost and it was found out that Sandy kept people away from voting, would they blame Bush?  That got poofed so fast, it was like something worse than the Holocaust.  Now, if the moderator that poofed it before, sees it now, they probably wonít care because their boy is still in power and all I am, is one of those dissidents with their hands tied behind their back that get shot in the head.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:12 PM

View Postninjadude, on 07 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Pretty much all of those things are happening. His list of accomplishments is quite lengthy. You should look it up.

Ya, OK, Sure, Right!

Would you call passing the  NDAA an accomplishment? If so, I'm sure you'll really enjoy the next 4 years.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:16 PM

View Postjoc, on 08 November 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

But that's the whole point at the end of my last post...nobody helped me...when there wasn't a check anymore...I did it.  No one helped me..I didn't ask anyone what I should do...I sat down, logically went through all the pros and cons of this and that...came up with a plan and worked the plan...all by myself...no one else helped me.  The people who hired me didn't help me.  I called them every day.  Yeah, I was staying at my folks house...and they live 100 miles from Dallas...I would have done something else...figured something out....what I'm saying is that I did do it all by myself.  And for Obama to say I didn't is an insult to my intelligence and my hard work...but I degress...

...some people do need help...until they can find a job...but it is really a catch 22...the incentive to find work is lessened considerably in a tough economy.

Like I have said, government assisstance should not be a life style and we should not pay enough to make it so. I do not think we pay enough to make it a life style, but if we do, we do need to stop it.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 08 November 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Fox is just as legit as any of the other MSM.
Nope


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HELLO??  Anybody home??  This is exactly the attitude that the MSM programs the weak minded.  This is how Obama wins, by the short term memory of his supporters.  I think that is what pisses off the rest of us.  And honestly, I am not trying to be insulting – these are the facts!
Right, Obama supporters short term memory, and the other side doesn't...

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Do you remember the film being blamed for the riots?  Do you remember that the riots occurred on 9/11 but they weren't a terrorist attack?  Do you remember that the riots where by unarmed people?  They just happened to have their RPGs with them.  That a couple of Seals refused to obey the stand down order and went to the Embassy and gave their lives to save the lives other others?  That the commanding general in the region was refused at least 3 different times to respond?  We had fighters and a response team within an hour away.  All the fighter had to do was to buzz the Embassy with a sonic boom or two.  4 Americans held out at least 6 hours.  Then the cover up began, do you remember that?  This is the character of this Administration.  This caused massive damage to American standing in the world and our capability to handle more terrorist attacks in the future.  This has enabled more American lives to be lost than in Sandy.

Now, what about this supper storm?  I don't recall the final tally, but just over one hundred people died.  Given such a natural disaster, that is relatively light.  We find out that Obama made the same calls that Bush made but the MSM bashes Bush for Katrina.  They hammer him for not landing but it turns out that security concerns on the ground would have distracted from the rescue operations.  We don't hear about that from the MSM.  Obama meets with Christy for a quick campaign photo op and then he rushes to TheView and there is no outrage from the MSM.  The government has failed with Sandy as it did with Katrina, and you don't hear about that.  There are people still without power and they are getting hit again.  Are we going to see the aftermath of that?

Of course I remember that stuff. I think you are just making way to big of a deal out of it than you should be. So some people screwed up and people died...happens every day in our military. It has not hurt our military standing in the world. There will always be crazies trying to blow up a car or shoot RPGs at our guys. If you think that any country is going to screw with our military, you are wrong. Oddly enough you do not seem concerned about the terrorist attacks we have here at home. You know, the guy that shot up the movie theater and the guy that shot up the temple? It is the same thing...just some crazy people that managed to pull something off. You do not care about a single thing that happens inside this country.

Of course the death toll for Sandy is low. It should have been. We were tracking the storm for days. People were told in advance to get out. We should have no deaths for a hurricane. The government has failed with Sandy as it did with Katrina and you do not hear about it? That is the exact point I am making. We should be concerned about taking care of our people here, not some crap in Libya. Republicans want to increase military spending when that money should be spent HERE. Our military is fine, trust me.


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And Welfare, SS, and other government payments take up over 40% of the budget.  No, not all are Takers but this is ridiculous.

Why are you such a putz and walking billboard for the regime?  It's like none of the past four years have occurred or is it still Bush's fault?  I made a comment before the election that if Obama lost and it was found out that Sandy kept people away from voting, would they blame Bush?  That got poofed so fast, it was like something worse than the Holocaust.  Now, if the moderator that poofed it before, sees it now, they probably won't care because their boy is still in power and all I am, is one of those dissidents with their hands tied behind their back that get shot in the head.

What should our national budget go to? I think the majority of the money we spend should be on taking care of our people and infastructure. I'm not sure why you are so opposed to this.

Why do you say I am a walking billboard for this regime? I am a Liberal...I did not say Obama was perfect and has not made mistakes. Of course it is not all Bush's fault, that would be a stupid claim, but some of it is.

You make a lot of assumptions about me and Liberals in general...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:00 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Because you need a job to get food stamps and government assisstance...
According to the numbers, these people are the majority of those getting assisstance...
Total number of Americans on food stamps 46,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance   5,600,000

Maybe my state just runs things better than your state, but in my state you need a job to get food stamps. You also need a job to get other types of assisstance, such as assisstance to pay for child care. I know this because my wife's cousin is going through a nasty divorce. I have personally tried to find her a job. She cannot find one. She quit her last job because the child care cost more than her job paid. I can give you the numbers for how much child care costs and how much minimum wage pays if you would like...She is now trying to find a job so she can get benifits from the government because contrary to popular belief A JOB IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF WELFARE.

You also need to actively be looking for a job to get unemployment and unemployment is limited in how long you can be on it. The same goes for welfare, you typically cannot be on it forever. But most people will find that a job does a better job of paying the bills.

I do not have statistics, but for what it is worth, I work at a gas station. It tells me when someone is using food stamps. I also talk to my customers and pay attention to what they are wearing. Shockingly enough, many of them come in after work and often wearing their work uniforms. I have also found out that many on food stamps are single parents. Obviously that is not statistics, but just an observation.

Maybe you just live in a crappy state where they hand out money. Maybe the country should model their government assisstance programs after what my state does...but I imagine Repubs would get all upset like they did with healthcare...

It is similar in my state too (CA), Hutton. If one cannot get a job GR  will help them get the things they need, e.g. is a GED, or courses to learn how to interview etc... And, it is "temporary" whilst one is getting themselves prepared/fit to work, they will be doing community service, giving back to qualify for the food stamps to begin with. Too often people listen to the hype on news stations, instead of getting out and finding out for themselves how things really work!  There is no hand outs here, no such thing as free money!

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:02 PM

View PostCapt Amerika, on 08 November 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Welfare: Welfare can take a variety of forms, such as monetary payments, subsidies and vouchers, or housing.
Well what do you know, Welfare by definition is actually MORE than just monetary payments.

Now explain to me why your ability to achieve wages of 25k a year is my fault?
If you couldnt be bothered to go to school or learn a skill why should i have to be bothered to provide you with extra subsidies?
Turn off your data paln, your internet and your cable.
We have a very very sick view of what is considered poverty in this nation.
You call 25k poverty, on the global scale that would put you near the top 1%.

In my personal opinion if you can work you get nothing.
There are programs out there to help lift you up, But welfare for an able bodied person does nothing but subsidise their lack of ambition.
When i go to Wal-Mart i expect to be checked out by a teenager or an older retired person looking to make some spending cash.  Not a person trying to raise a family crying about a living wage.
If that person is you, then you need to use the govt programs to lift yourself up into a job that pays a living wage instead of whining about it.

Have you ever heard the saying the world needs ditch diggers to?

Do you really think that if everyone went out and educated themselves so they could get a job that pays enough to live on well that there would just be a job there waiting for them? That is idiotic thinking. The bottom line is there are not enough well paying jobs for everyone. Do you hear any industry crying out WE NEED MORE WORKERS! WHY CAN'T WE FIND ENOUGH EDUCATED WORKERS! I don't know of any. So that person checking you out at walmart is working the only job they may have been able to find. I hope you never find yourself the victim of circumstance and find your self out of work, out of money, and out of luck.

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