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#151    Mr Right Wing

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:25 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 07 February 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

It's funny how legislation 'protecting religious freedoms' allows religious people to mock and undermine gay people which would otherwise be considered something to label as hate crimes.

Legislation means you arent allowed to mock or belittle people based on their religious beliefs, sexual orientation or ethnic grouping.

If you rewrote the Quran to have Mohammed as a paedophile you'd get locked up, if you riduled a gay for being gay you'd get locked up and the same should apply to those rewriting the Bible into a pinker version. Its inflammatory, its disrespectful and its mocking the Christain Faith.

If you want more respect from society they you have to show respect to those with religious beliefs too. Its only fair.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 07 February 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Legislation means you arent allowed to mock or belittle people based on their religious beliefs, sexual orientation or ethnic grouping.

If you rewrote the Quran to have Mohammed as a paedophile you'd get locked up, if you riduled a gay for being gay you'd get locked up and the same should apply to those rewriting the Bible into a pinker version. Its inflammatory, its disrespectful and its mocking the Christain Faith.

If you want more respect from society they you have to show respect to those with religious beliefs too. Its only fair.

People of religious faith have hardly been respectfully to gay people. They compare gay people to pedophiles constantly and are they locked up? No because they have 'religious freedom'.

It's not inflamatory, its for gay christians, which happen to exist and yet get mocked and ridiculed persistantly by fellow christians.

Certain religious beliefs don't deserve respect and shouldn't get it simply because the belief is religious.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

View PostParanoid Android, on 07 February 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

Why exactly should this guy be arrested and prosecuted?  Disagreeing with a religious viewpoint is not against the law of the United States (I'm no expert in United States law, but I'm pretty sure a person can print whatever they like provided it doesn't fall under the umbrella of "hate speech". And that includes a mistranslation of a Bible if they so wish it.

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The UK statues forbid communication which is hateful, threatening, abusive or insulting towards individuals based on their race, sexuality or faith.

Rewriting the Bible into a pinker version is insulting towards me as it is no doubt to most other Christains.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:32 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 07 February 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

People of religious faith have hardly been respectfully to gay people. They compare gay people to pedophiles constantly and are they locked up? No because they have 'religious freedom'.

It's not inflamatory, its for gay christians, which happen to exist and yet get mocked and ridiculed persistantly by fellow christians.

Certain religious beliefs don't deserve respect and shouldn't get it simply because the belief is religious.

The law requires you to be respectful towards religious people as it requires them to be respectful towards you.

If you dont want to do that you do it at your own risk of getting locked up.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:38 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 07 February 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

The law requires you to be respectful towards religious people as it requires them to be respectful towards you.

If you dont want to do that you do it at your own risk of getting locked up.

When religious people start to be respectful to gay people instead of using their religion as a shield to be abusive, then I'll be more respectful to them.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:43 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 07 February 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

When religious people start to be respectful to gay people instead of using their religion as a shield to be abusive, then I'll be more respectful to them.

Dont worry we'll all write to you then to stop you getting bored in your prison cell lol.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:52 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 07 February 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

There is a difference in wording and yes, one is more spiteful But I'd not shower the first one in roses and praise for phrasing it in a nice way.

No one is asking you to.. People own a right to think for themselves on how they read things quoted in their bible.. Some qwill use it as an excuse to flame gays  ( especially trolls on line )  but others will accept it as sinful and leave it at that...   There are many Christians who will read parts of their bible and not like the look of it, so they accept it and move on...

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Chances are, they believe the same as the other one anyway.   

Not true for all.. Take PA for example, he doesn't hold a belief in a burning hell.. He believe hell is your grave...

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   The point I was trying to get across, which you purposely ignored and instead focussed on the terrorist part is this   

I focused on the very thing you mentioned .. Terrorist.. This all came from you at first...  Then when you saw you made a blunder, you move the goal posts..

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   If we know people are harming others por intending to and we can prevent it should we? Or should doing something only depend oon how justified the person feels in doing it?

It depends... Since you were the one to bring terrorists into this previously, then who or what are you referring to?  Are you talking about the average Joe?  A mad man?  Who ?

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We won't know most likely (unless he decides to answer which I doubt). But somehow I doubt the sincerity of the person would matter all that much. Their faith would   

You are not giving the gay Christian much credit though, are you? You assume this will hurt him and prevent him from ever finding love.. What you fail to do is, consider that he could be one that will look advice elsewhere..

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If he couldn't do anything he'd get the congregation and pastor to do something. In other words, he'd get other people to apply pressure to this person so they dont 'stray'. Real loving.   

This is exactly what is meant by allowing something to fester.. He might have said something like that a while back, and you refuse to let it go...

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Sadly, location works against me. I'm in a rural area and that pretty much prevents me from doing much locally. Since I'm now studying again (at home again due to my location) my time is mostly taken up with poring over text books and assignments,   

So basically, you are blaming the location as to where you live, and study...All of this stops you from trying to make a change

I bet you can't send an email to the MP's because your broadband connection doesn't cover the location to where the MP's are located..lol :P  Kidding of course

So I guess with the amount of time you spend posting on the internet, arguing with people over gays, sitting in the thread, refreshing the page to see if anyone else challenges you, doesn't take up much of your time? I have to go now, I have loads to do, I am wondering when I get back much later will you still be here arguing the gay threads?   lol

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I do wish I could do more,   

Location, study and UM..It must be terrible...To think there are people who will go to any lengths to support their causes, what must they be thinking?  If you are living in a rural area, a few books to study and you are on UM forget it, it's a lost cause

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  And I do not encourage harm against those people in any form and yet I'm the bad guy in this situation. I've never caused people physical, emotional or psychological harm like those that think homosexuality is a sin, yet someone I'm worse.
There are things in life that are deserving of anger and I've never been an advocate for discarding emotions.

Like I said, you have allowed your own belief's to fester, and they have not done you any good...

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 07 February 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Dont worry we'll all write to you then to stop you getting bored in your prison cell lol.

why bother writing when you'd be in the next cell?

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

Disgusting! Homosexuals should never claim to be christians anyway, it goes against the teachings.
homosexuality is an unatural abomination.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 07 February 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

No one is asking you to.. People own a right to think for themselves on how they read things quoted in their bible.. Some qwill use it as an excuse to flame gays  ( especially trolls on line )  but others will accept it as sinful and leave it at that...   There are many Christians who will read parts of their bible and not like the look of it, so they accept it and move on...

And people accepting it and moving on blindly is part of the problem.

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Not true for all.. Take PA for example, he doesn't hold a belief in a burning hell.. He believe hell is your grave...

I'm hardly going to praise him for that as that hardly sounds better

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I focused on the very thing you mentioned .. Terrorist.. This all came from you at first...  Then when you saw you made a blunder, you move the goal posts..

It depends... Since you were the one to bring terrorists into this previously, then who or what are you referring to?  Are you talking about the average Joe?  A mad man?  Who ?

Again, you focus on the one word, even when I change it.

I asked you a clear question and yet instead of answering, you focussed on the terrorist part.

I'll repeat and bold it but this is the last time I will. If you knew someone was planning on killing or harming someone would you let them, simply because they felt justified? Or would you try and stop them (or inform people who were equipped to do so)?


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You are not giving the gay Christian much credit though, are you? You assume this will hurt him and prevent him from ever finding love.. What you fail to do is, consider that he could be one that will look advice elsewhere..

Far too often gay christians get in that position and get pressured into that situation and they can't see an alternative or look elsewhere.

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This is exactly what is meant by allowing something to fester.. He might have said something like that a while back, and you refuse to let it go...

Because it's not something that should be let go.

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So basically, you are blaming the location as to where you live, and study...All of this stops you from trying to make a change.I bet you can't send an email to the MP's because your broadband connection doesn't cover the location to where the MP's are located..lol

So I guess with the amount of time you spend posting on the internet, arguing with people over gays, sitting in the thread, refreshing the page to see if anyone else challenges you, doesn't take up much of your time?

Seriously, get a grip.  

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I am surprised you are able to post on here for hours...

The same could be said for you.

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Location, study and UM..It must be terrible...To think there are people who will go to any lengths to support their causes, what must they be thinking?  If you are living in a rural area, a few books to study and you are on UM forget it, it's a lost cause

Honestly, get a grip. I support my causes through other ways. However I cannot help my location. I do not have the best networking skills and what do you expect me to do? Drop everything and move to London?

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Like I said, you have allowed your own belief's to fester, and they have not done you any good...

No I haven't.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:09 PM

View Post.AKUMA., on 07 February 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Disgusting! Homosexuals should never claim to be christians anyway, it goes against the teachings.
homosexuality is an unatural abomination.
I think this has been covered, there is nothing from the "teachings' of jesus saying it is not allowed.
There are many different Chistian groups, they have their own views on how they interpret the bible.....As for disgusting, there are far more disgusting things in this world which are down to the "teachings" of some of the faiths out there.
When everyone is living in a Utopia and all world wrongs have been put to right, then come back and talk about what is "disgusting" today.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:10 PM

No stats then on how many gays are religious and how many are not?

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

View Postmarkdohle, on 07 February 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

I think the guy in the video is gay

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:36 PM

I haven't been paying too much attention to this thread because I think its beating a dead horse, in a sense. The fact is that Christians, at least in the U.S. where they still have political influence, harp on homosexuality, as well as stem cell research and abortion as if it were a Christian responsibility to do so. It isn't, according to the Bible.

The Hebrew Scripture was pretty clear, the law set forth there dictated that certain sexual practices of the people of the nations surrounding the newly formed nation of Israel were forbidden. Homosexuals, adulterers and bestiality were punishable by death. Many sexual deviations were practiced by the religious people of the nations. Homosexual prostitutes and cadamites, that is young boys used by the temple for prostitution were common. All of the people of Israel were gathered, each man, woman and child, and were read and agreed to the laws of the nation. Anyone wishing to participate in any of these activities would have been far better off to leave and go join the nations around Israel, where not only their sexual preferences could be practiced, but they would be able to join nationalistic trade groups and temples where these activities were not only acceptable but expected. You pretty much had to be a member of a trade group in order to practice your trade, and these groups insisted you participate in ritual orgies.

God thought that these sexual practices were unnatural, in other words contrary to what they were intended for. Homosexuality and other perversions were not exclusively forbidden, but aspects of heterosexual activities were included.

The Jews didn't go outside of Israel looking for sexual deviants, these laws only applied to the nation of Israel. The covenant with the nation of Israel came to an end. The people of Israel rejected the laws and Jehovah their God in turn rejected them. They rejected the Messiah and a new covenant was established, the Mosaic Law no longer effect. There was a new covenant, but no laws.

The Christian congregation decided upon certain requirements with they were bound to, but were not laws as such. This meant that in order to live by the Christian code these regulations had to be followed. Basically if you wanted to be a part of the congregation you had to live accordingly, but violation without repentance would only bring about expulsion.

This didn't mean, of course, that homosexuals, adulterers, thieves, drunkards, gluttons etc. couldn't join the congregation, it only meant that they had to abandon these things, along with drinking blood. You may recall the dispute between the apostles when voting on whether or not Christians should be circumcises, eventually voting no.

Like Paul pointed out, some of those who had formerly practiced some of these things were joining the congregation, and practiced those things no more. Those seeking everlasting life in paradise on earth without sin, sickness or death wouldn't have thought it too much of a sacrifice, and if they did they wouldn't join.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:46 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 07 February 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

I think this has been covered, there is nothing from the "teachings' of jesus saying it is not allowed.

That isn't entirely true. Jesus said the word of God was sacred, and part of that condemned homosexuality, more specifically he spoke out against fornication and warned his folowwers not tolerate any professed Christian teacher who minimizes fornication. (Revelation 1:1; 2:14, 20) Fornication comes from the Hebrew zanah and the Greek porneia, and means any kind of unlawful sexual intercourse. That would include homosexuality.

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