Rape victim sentenced to jail and 100 lashes

[Karlis]

One would think that justice in the 21st century was somewhat less barbaric than it seems to be in Saudi Arabia.

I wonder how the judicial systems would have to change if Muslims eventually achieve their aim of having sharia law accepted in Western world nations?

Karlis

Saudi judge sentences pregnant gang-rape victim to 100 lashes for committing adultery

Last updated at 11:01 AM on 11th February 2009

A Saudi judge has ordered a woman should be jailed for a year and receive 100 lashes after she was gang-raped, it was claimed last night.

The 23-year-old woman, who became pregnant after her ordeal, was reportedly assaulted after accepting a lift from a man.

He took her to a house to the east of the city of Jeddah where she was attacked by him and four of his friends throughout the night.

She later discovered she was pregnant and made a desperate attempt to get an abortion at the King Fahd Hospital for Armed Forces.

According to the Saudi Gazette, she eventually 'confessed' to having 'forced intercourse' with her attackers and was brought before a judge at the District Court in Jeddah.

He ruled she had committed adultery - despite not even being married - and handed down a year's prison sentence, which she will serve in a prison just outside the city.

She is still pregnant and will be flogged once she has had the child.

The Saudi Arabian legal system practices a strict form of medieval law. Women have very few rights and are not even allowed to drive.

They are also banned from going out in public in the company of men other than male relatives.

Link to story

[Beckys_Mom]

That is so sad..........im lost for words........barbaric is the correct word for it.........if that happened to me, I would think - there is no god, no justice, no point in going on..whats left to live for?

[momentarylapseofreason]

Question:

Why are rape victims punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?

Summary Answer:

Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

The Qur'an:

Sura 2:282 - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Sura (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..."

Sura (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (5:59:462) - The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.

Additional Notes:

Rape is virtually impossible to prove under Islamic law (Sharia) and even in more moderate countries. If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

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From "Hadith of Prophet Muhammad"

Muslim 682 The Prophet said: "Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child." After the birth she was put into a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried.

http://www.****************.com/Quran/00...pe_adultery.htm

It's a belief, respect it !!

Edited February 13, 2009 by momentarylapseofreason

[momentarylapseofreason]

The Mandatory Punishment for Adultery

Commentary by Sayyid Qutb

In the Name of God, the Merciful, the Beneficent

A Surah which We have bestowed from on high and which We have ordained; and in it have We bestowed from on high clear revelations, so that you may keep them in mind.

As for the adulteress and the adulterer, flog each of them with a hundred stripes, and let not compassion for them keep you from (carrying out) this law of God, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a number of believers witness their punishment.

The adulterer couples with none other than an adulteress or an idolatress; and with the adulteress couples none other than an adulterer or an idolater. This is forbidden to the believers. (Light, Al-Noor: 24: 1-3)

The Surah has a unique opening that is not repeated anywhere else in the Qur’an. What is special here is the use of the clause “We have ordained” in reference to this Surah. We take this clause to imply an emphatic assertion that people must take everything that the Surah includes in the same way. Social manners and morality are ordained in the same way as mandatory punishments. We need to remember here that such manners and morality are deeply rooted in human nature, but people tend to overlook them because of deviant social pressures and easy temptation. Hence, the clear divine revelations God has bestowed from on high puts them back before people’s eyes, explaining the clear logic of undistorted human nature.

This emphatic and clear opening is immediately followed with an explanation of the mandatory punishment for adultery, a ghastly crime that severs the ties between its perpetrator and the Muslim community. “As for the adulteress and the adulterer, flog each of them with a hundred stripes, and let not compassion for them keep you from (carrying out) this law of God, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a number of believers witness their punishment. The adulterer couples with none other than an adulteress or an idolatress; and with the adulteress couples none other than an adulterer or an idolater. This is forbidden to the believers.”

In the early days of Islam, the punishment prescribed for adulterers was that outlined in Surah 4, Women, which says: “As for those of your women who are guilty of gross immoral conduct, call upon four from among you to bear witness against them. If they so testify, then confine the guilty women to their houses until death takes them or God opens another way for them.” (4: 15) Thus the punishment for the guilty adulteress was confinement at home and verbal reprimand, while the adulterer was punished by verbal reprimand only. Sometime later, God revealed the new mandatory punishment in this Surah. This is then the “way” opened by God to which Surah 4 had alluded.

Flogging is the punishment of male and female adulterers who have not been empowered through marriage. This punishment is enforced on any Muslim who is sane, of age and a free person whose guilt is established. As for a person who has had sexual experience within a proper marriage and then commits adultery even though he is sane, of age and free, his punishment is stoning.

The stoning punishment is confirmed in the Sunnah, while the flogging punishment is established clearly in the Qur’an. Since the Qur’anic statement is phrased in general terms, and the Prophet inflicted the stoning punishment on a married man and a married woman who committed adultery, it is clear that the punishment of flogging applies only to adulterers who are unmarried.

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There are several juristic differences in this area, such as a difference on combining the two punishments of flogging and stoning for a married adulterer. Most scholars, however, agree that no such combination applies. Other points of difference include sending unmarried adulterers into exile in addition to the punishment by flogging, and the punishment for a slave adulterer. These juristic differences are very detailed, but we do not propose to speak about such differences. Readers who are interested in them may refer to books on Fiqh. We will confine ourselves here to the discussion of the wisdom of this piece of legislation.

The first point to note is the difference in the punishment incurred by adulterers, depending on their marital status. A Muslim who is of age, free and sane and who has already experienced sex within marriage is fully aware of the clean and proper way to satisfy the sexual desire. To abandon this and resort to adultery betrays a deviant and corrupt nature. Hence, punishment is increased in this case. A virgin on the other hand may feel the temptation so strongly when he is inexperienced. There is another difference in the nature of the act itself. A married person is able to enjoy sex in a much better and refined way than a virgin. Hence, he deserves an increased punishment.

As has already been mentioned, the Surah mentions here the mandatory punishment for the unmarried adulterer only. It emphasizes the requirement of putting it into effect, with no compassion shown to the perpetrators: “As for the adulteress and the adulterer, flog each of them with a hundred stripes, and let not compassion for them keep you from (carrying out) this law of God, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a number of believers witness their punishment.” The Muslim community is required to implement this punishment showing no sympathy with the offenders. The punishment should be administered in public where a number of believers should be present. This makes it harder for the offenders and increases the deterrent effect for the beholders.

The crime is shown to be increasingly heinous. Hence, all ties between the perpetrators and the Muslim community are cut off: “The adulterer couples with none other than an adulteress or an idolatress; and with the adulteress couples none other than an adulterer or an idolater. This is forbidden to the believers.”

This means that those who commit adultery do not do so while they are believers. They only commit it when they are in a state that is far removed from faith and the feelings it generates in people’s hearts. A believer does not feel comfortable to enter into a marital relationship with someone who has abandoned faith through such a terrible offence. Indeed, Imam Ahmad is of the view that marriage is forbidden between an adulterer and a chaste woman, or between a chaste man and an adulteress.

A prerequisite for such a marriage to be valid is for such offenders to genuinely repent. At any rate, the Qur’anic verse makes it clear that by nature believing men and women feel that to be married to someone who commits adultery is strongly repugnant. Thus, it is very unlikely to happen, and this improbability is described here is a prohibition. Thus, ties between the Muslim community and individuals who commit adultery are nonexistent.

Arab News Islam 4 July 2003

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=5&sectio...;m=7&y=2003

Edited February 13, 2009 by momentarylapseofreason

[InHuman]

And why are we trying to be friends with SA again?

Alberta has oil, and equal rights!

[Bez]

Praise Allah?

[momentarylapseofreason]

Praise Allah?

I'm sure it wasn't Allah's idea.

[Pseudo Intellectual]

Question:

Why are rape victims punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?

Summary Answer:

Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

The Qur'an:

Sura 2:282 - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Sura (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..."

Sura (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (5:59:462) - The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.

Additional Notes:

Rape is virtually impossible to prove under Islamic law (Sharia) and even in more moderate countries. If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

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From "Hadith of Prophet Muhammad"

Muslim 682 The Prophet said: "Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child." After the birth she was put into a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried.

http://www.****************.com/Quran/00...pe_adultery.htm

It's a belief, respect it !!

Behold the religion of peace!

[itsnotoutthere]

Unfortunately this is what happens when you have 16th. century people living in a 21st. century world.

[Bill Hill]

I actually agree with this law, rapists should sentenced to jail and then given 100 lashes,

edit

Oh, er ... it was the rape victim!?! wha the.... confused....

[doesnt_matter]

Insanity is the only word for this. That poor woman. *shakes head* and they use their religion to justify the hell they are giving this woman...

[jesspy]

Can someone get all the girls out of that country then wipe the world of that religion.............oh wait

[itsnotoutthere]

Can someone get all the girls out of that country then wipe the world of that religion.............oh wait

Dang....I felt sure you were gonna say 'that's why i'm in favour of forced castration'

[chemical-licker]

Dang....I felt sure you were gonna say 'that's why i'm in favour of forced castration'

[Plainbob13]

Behold the religion of peace!

You said it.

[karl 12]

Hey this 'flogging a pregnant woman' incident is quite a tame one - what about when this lady got beheaded for supernatural witchcraft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1riBa5bAao

Or this truly disturbing incident:

During a school fire in Mecca in March they reportedly drove back girls who tried to escape without wearing headscarves, and prevented male rescuers from entering the building on the grounds that they would be "mixing" with the opposite sex. Fourteen girls died in the blaze.

Yesterday Amnesty International was sceptical about the training programme. "Saudi Arabia's religious police have an appalling record of brutality and discrimination going far beyond failings with interpersonal skills," a spokesman said. "Their track record includes making violent and arbitrary arrests, subjecting women in particular to taunts and vicious beatings, and lashing out at people taken into detention.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/1...a.brianwhitaker

I think the Saudi religious police (and sharia law in general) has got a hell of a lot to answer for.

Hopefully one day many of these religious psychopaths will be on trial in the Hague for 'crimes against humanity'.

Edited February 13, 2009 by karl 12

[Bez]

It's their belief system! Stop being intolerant!

[momentarylapseofreason]

Dang....I felt sure you were gonna say 'that's why i'm in favour of forced castration'

Some men don't deserve to have that dearly beloved external protuberance.

Don't you agree ?

[atom286]

One would think that justice in the 21st century was somewhat less barbaric than it seems to be in Saudi Arabia.

I wonder how the judicial systems would have to change if Muslims eventually achieve their aim of having sharia law accepted in Western world nations?

Karlis

Saudi judge sentences pregnant gang-rape victim to 100 lashes for committing adultery

Last updated at 11:01 AM on 11th February 2009

A Saudi judge has ordered a woman should be jailed for a year and receive 100 lashes after she was gang-raped, it was claimed last night.

The 23-year-old woman, who became pregnant after her ordeal, was reportedly assaulted after accepting a lift from a man.

He took her to a house to the east of the city of Jeddah where she was attacked by him and four of his friends throughout the night.

She later discovered she was pregnant and made a desperate attempt to get an abortion at the King Fahd Hospital for Armed Forces.

According to the Saudi Gazette, she eventually 'confessed' to having 'forced intercourse' with her attackers and was brought before a judge at the District Court in Jeddah.

He ruled she had committed adultery - despite not even being married - and handed down a year's prison sentence, which she will serve in a prison just outside the city.

She is still pregnant and will be flogged once she has had the child.

The Saudi Arabian legal system practices a strict form of medieval law. Women have very few rights and are not even allowed to drive.

They are also banned from going out in public in the company of men other than male relatives.

Link to story

The laws in Iran are differant from over here.

The people grow up in a differant culture and as such the people living in it are fully aware of the laws. This women would have known that she is not allowed to be in the company of other men except relatives as all forms of 'slappery' are condemed as immoral behaviour.

Whilst you can drive down the road in the west and pick up a woman who will get in your car this is not allowed in Iran. It is a deeply religious country.

[momentarylapseofreason]

The laws in Iran are differant from over here.

The people grow up in a differant culture and as such the people living in it are fully aware of the laws. This women would have known that she is not allowed to be in the company of other men except relatives as all forms of 'slappery' are condemed as immoral behaviour.

Whilst you can drive down the road in the west and pick up a woman who will get in your car this is not allowed in Iran. It is a deeply religious country.

So, is it logical and moral ? Is this ok because it's part of religious belief ? What about "human rights" ?

Why is the blame placed so much on the woman ?

If jewelry is openly displayed on a stand although that you don't own it, is it your right to simply take it, because you desire it ?

Where is the accountability self-control here ? I thought we were human beings not animals ?

Who will defend the women ? Women are not owned cattle. They should be able to move freely without fear !!!

This is not a deeply religious country !! No, it is a deeply cruel, sexist and misogynistic country.

I mean where is the spirituality and humanity here ?

Edited February 13, 2009 by momentarylapseofreason

[TheResearcher]

These types of things make me so angry.

[Bez]

The laws in Iran are differant from over here.

The people grow up in a differant culture and as such the people living in it are fully aware of the laws. This women would have known that she is not allowed to be in the company of other men except relatives as all forms of 'slappery' are condemed as immoral behaviour.

Whilst you can drive down the road in the west and pick up a woman who will get in your car this is not allowed in Iran. It is a deeply religious country.

And so what? We (as humans) can just start a religion and claim anything? No, this is not the time of Jesus where people believed anything you told them. This is the age of reason (however skewed it may be) and we (as humans) have the ability (or should) know what's right and what is wrong.

I would rather be intolerant of a religion (which I usually am not) than see a woman (in this case) have her rights completely taken away.

Yeah yeah, "well it's normal for them and she should have known..." No...I'm sorry, that doesn't work in today's world. Things like this are just excuses for the ability for men to abuse woman legally. It's father from religion than anything.

[momentarylapseofreason]

These types of things make me so angry.

My blood is boiling.

This is where my tolerance and respect ends.

There have to be boundaries somewhere !!

Their religion is used as an excuse to commit crimes against humanity

sick sick sick

[Bez]

This is not a deeply religious country !! No, it is a deeply cruel, sexist and misogynistic country.

I mean where is the spirituality and humanity here ?

And people wonder why others are prejudice towards Muslims. Don't give me the "only the devout Muslims do this" bull. If Catholicism suddenly condoned rape and beating of women in today's world lots of people wouldn't follow it anymore, but not Islam. In fact, most people convert to Islam because they're curious about the religion of the people behind terrorist attacks.

Oh how blind people are.

Their religion is used as an excuse to commit crimes against humanity

This is absolute truth. "Western" Muslims don't see this because they choose not to follow the things they know will be harmful to others.

Edited February 13, 2009 by Bez

[doesnt_matter]

And so what? We (as humans) can just start a religion and claim anything? No, this is not the time of Jesus where people believed anything you told them. This is the age of reason (however skewed it may be) and we (as humans) have the ability (or should) know what's right and what is wrong.

I would rather be intolerant of a religion (which I usually am not) than see a woman (in this case) have her rights completely taken away.

Yeah yeah, "well it's normal for them and she should have known..." No...I'm sorry, that doesn't work in today's world. Things like this are just excuses for the ability for men to abuse woman legally. It's father from religion than anything.

Well said! I don't like religion as a justification for anything illegal or anything else that causes the suffering of another being. This is a perfect example why religion can not , CAN NOT, be allowed into a political structure. I'd say more about it, but the words I would want to use are too colorful, though appropriate to get across how outraging this is.