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#1    Ohelemapit

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 08:47 PM

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The Conservatives would consider leaving the European Convention on Human Rights if they won the 2015 election, the home secretary has said.

Theresa May told an event organised by the ConservativeHome site the party would also scrap the Human Rights Act.

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:02 PM

What possible reason could they want to scrap the human rights act - unless they wanted to abuse someones human rights ?

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:22 PM

Doesn't surprise me those overprivileged upper class toffs want to abolish human rights if they have their way it'll be back to Victorian values.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:31 AM

i think they hate the right poor people have the right to a family life instead of subservience to a master ,the right to religious freedom because of those damn muslims.the right to a life free from torture because the rich should be able to do what they want as long
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:52 AM

how did we manage before the Human Rights act. pre 1998. -

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:36 PM

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how did we manage before the Human Rights act. pre 1998. -

People use to get beat up because their face didn't fit.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:26 PM

They promised a referendum on Europe before they were even elected, what a surprise it won't happen unless they get elected again. Very sneaky.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 10 March 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

how did we manage before the Human Rights act. pre 1998. -

You could always ask these families. Or any number of 'criminals' who were treated the same, back in the day.

I understand that the 'Human Rights Brigade' can be a bit full on and even counter-productive at times, but this is not a valid reason to move backwards as a society. Police abuses are just one of the many vital reasons that human rights laws are a necessity.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 05:12 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 10 March 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

You could always ask these families. Or any number of 'criminals' who were treated the same, back in the day.

I understand that the 'Human Rights Brigade' can be a bit full on and even counter-productive at times, but this is not a valid reason to move backwards as a society. Police abuses are just one of the many vital reasons that human rights laws are a necessity.

its only a move backwards if you think we actually moved forward in the first place. i dont think we did, and i lived quite happily along with millions of others under common British Law, This EU imposed Human Rights act as done nothing, it hasn't enhanced anything. the case you point out and many others like it we could point to was all covered by British Law. - if the Tories win the next election and we was to hold a referendum to leave the EU. by default the Human Rights act would go as well. are we going to implode as a society. No. i'd rather we went back to pre-1998. - we have a situation today whereby we cannot even deport foreign prisoners. because once they leave jail they claim under the human rights act they have the right to remain. or the right to a family life, or in one case the right to remain because he had a pet cat. its an absurd law. lets just be done with it. lets return to pre-1998 and let the continentals live under such a system.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:22 PM

I think the point is Steve that the human rights act removed the discretion to extradite a criminal to a country where they are likely to be tortured or killed. Inconvient I know - but somewhat necessary don't you think ??

This is the main objection levelled by the Tories at the human rights act.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:28 AM

Just one reason why I despise the Huma rights: Here

Personally I couldn’t care less if the extradition of a criminal meant they are likely to be tortured or killed once returned back to their country. Human Rights is a loophole for rapists, foreign criminals, terrorists, etc.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:03 AM

Here's the relevant bit in that case;

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But despite hearing details of St Angeli’s crimes, a judge last week said he couldn’t see ‘any benefit’ in St Angeli remaining on the register.


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It was the magistrates personal decision under a rule allowing a person to request that they be taken off the register.
It wasn't the Human Rights act at fault - it was the magistrate. I suspect that the majestrate might need a careful looking into before been allowed to take such a court case again.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:40 AM

Most cases would not get another hearing in a court if it wasn’t for human rights rulings. People get banged up and then use the Human Rights as a another way out. People like Abu Qatada, sitting pretty with his family at the expense of the tax payer.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:41 AM

View Postyearofthehater, on 10 March 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

People use to get beat up because their face didn't fit.

And that doesnt happen today does it?

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:48 AM

View Postxsas, on 11 March 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Most cases would not get another hearing in a court if it wasn’t for human rights rulings. People get banged up and then use the Human Rights as a another way out. People like Abu Qatada, sitting pretty with his family at the expense of the tax payer.
It all depends on the evidence. If the crime is proven by evidence then there are no loopholes. In this particular case the Judge bizarrely decided that the convicted paedophile was no longer a threat to anyone despite the evidence which showed he had been a chronic offender. Should we be looking at Judges with sympathies for paedophiles - search their computers, checking their web traffic.
The Law is necessary to protect yours and my rights, but if we give the administration of the law to dodgy judges and have no way of removing them from office, who have we got to blame but ourselves.

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