Liberalism and Scientology

[Order66]

I see parallels between how the Church of Scientology recruits members and how people become indoctrinated into liberalism.

When Scientology reaches out to new members, it is under the pretense of being a self-help group. 'Attend our seminar and we'll make your business more productive' they might say for example. It was first introduced to Tom Cruise as a cure for dyslexia.

When liberals introduce their agenda, the real end game is never revealed at first. When Obama talks about the economy, he more or less sounds like a moderate conservate. We're going to help businesses grow, we're going to create more jobs, etc etc. Standard innocuous arguments that nobody would disagree with, even though he would make it sound like he's the only one who would ever make such crazy suggestions.

Only when members are fully engrossed in the Church of Scientology, only when it controls every aspect of their lives, do they come forth with the aliens and spacejets and volcanoes.

Similarly, it is only when liberals are firmly entrenched in power that they reveal the whole radical agenda. Their solution to economic problems is a redistribution of wealth and class warfare. What they described as freedom and civil rights comes at the cost of extensive government control and intrusion into aspect of your life.

What do you think?

Edited October 17, 2012 by Vein Capital

[questionmark]

Liberalism is not a sect, else the founding fathers would have written it as obligatory in the constitution. The "conservatives" at the time wanted to remain British citizens.

[Grandpa Greenman]

It might help you to know what the definition of Liberal is, which has nothing to do with what you said. You are using the Fox news definition and you are being duped.

lib·er·al

   /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Show Spelled[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA

adjective

1.

favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2.

( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3.

of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

4.

favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5.

favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

[+HerNibs]

I see parallels between how the Church of Scientology recruits members and how people become indoctrinated into liberalism.

When Scientology reaches out to new members, it is under the pretense of being a self-help group. 'Attend our seminar and we'll make your business more productive' they might say for example. It was first introduced to Tom Cruise as a cure for dyslexia.

When liberals introduce their agenda, the real end game is never revealed at first. When Obama talks about the economy, he more or less sounds like a moderate conservate. We're going to help businesses grow, we're going to create more jobs, etc etc. Standard innocuous arguments that nobody would disagree with, even though he would make it sound like he's the only one who would ever make such crazy suggestions.

Only when members are fully engrossed in the Church of Scientology, only when it controls every aspect of their lives, do they come forth with the aliens and spacejets and volcanoes.

Similarly, it is only when liberals are firmly entrenched in power that they reveal the whole radical agenda. Their solution to economic problems is a redistribution of wealth and class warfare. What they described as freedom and civil rights comes at the cost of extensive government control and intrusion into aspect of your life.

What do you think?

Nope, disagree.

Your idea of a secret endgame is just an opinion of what you believe is some kind of corrupt politics. As a "liberal", I don't believe in distribution or class warfare. IMO it's just a negative generalization of extremes. No different than characterizing all conservatives as extreme Teapartiers looking to put women back into the kitchen and only letting land owning white men hold any rights.

Scientology on the other hand has documented goals, beliefs and doctrines. Also, leaving Scientology can be detrimental to your health and well being due to threats, intimidation and despicable practices.

Nibs

[Order66]

It might help you to know what the definition of Liberal is, which has nothing to do with what you said. You are using the Fox news definition and you are being duped.

Actually that definition you posted is more or less what I meant:

adjective

1.

favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2.

( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3.

of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

"progressive" would probably be a better term than "liberal", that's the term the left usually uses in describing itself.

"favorable to progress or reform" is a little watered down, but this is how I would describe Obama's radical agenda. I believe he wants to tear down the capitalist system in America and it re-create it with a socialist/communist economy in which everything is under the thumb of the federal government. He hides this agenda, however. He's not going to go on national television and express his seething hatred of capitalism. He almost did when he said "you didn't build that!" and look how people reacted to that. He has to make it more palatable by giving the pretense of a moderate conservative.

[None of the above]

Actually that definition you posted is more or less what I meant:

"progressive" would probably be a better term than "liberal", that's the term the left usually uses in describing itself.

"favorable to progress or reform" is a little watered down, but this is how I would describe Obama's radical agenda. I believe he wants to tear down the capitalist system in America and it re-create it with a socialist/communist economy in which everything is under the thumb of the federal government. He hides this agenda, however. He's not going to go on national television and express his seething hatred of capitalism. He almost did when he said "you didn't build that!" and look how people reacted to that. He has to make it more palatable by giving the pretense of a moderate conservative.

I read this and you sound a bit um, how to put this nicely.... Bat pooo crazy.

So there's one similarity with Scientology.

If you let me run your country you'd know for darn tooting sure that Obama is a 'moderate conservative'.

[Neognosis]

I see parallels between how the Church of Scientology recruits members and how people become indoctrinated into liberalism.

That's because you are trying as HARD as you can to demonize the things you think you disagree with.

[Grandpa Greenman]

This could go on forever. Got any links to support your views other than Fox news. Otherwise you got nothing.

pro·gres·sive

   [pruh-gres-iv] Show IPA

adjective

1.

favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

2.

making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.

3.

characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.

4.

( initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to any of the Progressive parties in politics.

5.

going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/progressive?s=t

[Corp]

Coming from a country where Obama would be a conservative I find any claims of him planning to turn into a communist state to frankly be lacking in reality. Seriously the rest of the Western world just shakes their heads when they hear this kind of talk. And liberalism is like a cult? Yeah, no. It's a political viewpoint that wouldn't seem so bad once you realist it's not communism.

[Order66]

That's because you are trying as HARD as you can to demonize the things you think you disagree with.

I have nothing personal agaisnt either of them. I find Scientology interesting in the way that I find various topics on this forum interesting if you take my meaning. Really I want to understand Obama and the left, more than anything. When Obama asks hwo the deficit can be paid off without raising taxes for example, I find this to be amazingly disconnected from reality. He sees notrelationship between tax rates and a healthy economy. Whatever his notion is of how to grow the economy is probably stranger than anything Scientologists might believe.

This could go on forever. Got any links to support your views other than Fox news. Otherwise you got nothing.

Why do you keep arguing? I agreed with your definition. *snip*

Coming from a country where Obama would be a conservative I find any claims of him planning to turn into a communist state to frankly be lacking in reality. Seriously the rest of the Western world just shakes their heads when they hear this kind of talk. And liberalism is like a cult? Yeah, no. It's a political viewpoint that wouldn't seem so bad once you realist it's not communism.

I'm sure the Obama phone lady wouldn't describe herself as a communist, even though her life is probably a textbook example of the Orwellian nanny state. What Obama sells and how he sells it are too different things.

Edited October 22, 2012 by Saru
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[Corp]

Phone lady?

Look the bottom line is that Obama is not a communist. Full stop. Heck it's debateable about how much of a socialist he is. This is just an old attack tactic of the GOP. I remember when Kerry was running it was claimed that he was the most radical left-winger in American politics. I think the same thing was said about Gore when he was running. And Orwellian nanny state? Really? Because what Obama is selling is less socialist than a lot of Western countries have and they're doing just fine. No Orwellian nanny state up here.

[Order66]

Phone lady?

Look the bottom line is that Obama is not a communist. Full stop. Heck it's debateable about how much of a socialist he is. This is just an old attack tactic of the GOP. I remember when Kerry was running it was claimed that he was the most radical left-winger in American politics. I think the same thing was said about Gore when he was running. And Orwellian nanny state? Really? Because what Obama is selling is less socialist than a lot of Western countries have and they're doing just fine. No Orwellian nanny state up here.

Oh I see, the problem is that we are not socialist enough Europe is way ahead of us. Years ago that the UK lost global power and influence. Thanks to Obama the US is now catching up.

[+HerNibs]

This doesn't seem to be much of a discussion about Scientology/Liberalism as much as it is a rehash of "Obama sucks" with a bunch of busted myths thrown in.

Nibs

[Order66]

This doesn't seem to be much of a discussion about Scientology/Liberalism as much as it is a rehash of "Obama sucks" with a bunch of busted myths thrown in.

Nibs

I'm not here to bash anybody. I'm full of positivity and love, like Tony Robbins. You can do it!!!

[Neognosis]

I have nothing personal agaisnt either of them. I find Scientology interesting in the way that I find various topics on this forum interesting if you take my meaning. Really I want to understand Obama and the left, more than anything.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, or if you are just full of nonsense.

I think it's just a way for you to hurl insults and demonize liberals yet again.

I guess I could say that I'm really interested in learning more about how you think in the same way that I'm so curious about how people with Down's Syndrome learn how to do complex math.

[Order66]

I guess I could say that I'm really interested in learning more about how you think in the same way that I'm so curious about how people with Down's Syndrome learn how to do complex math.

Nice comment Mr. Sensitivity. If you're looking for retarded mathematicians, try the Bureau of Labor Statistics or CBO. Find the one offering the cost benefit analysis of Obamacare who figured out how Obama's multi-trillion dollar spending packages are going to save us money in the future.

[Neognosis]

Are you going to tell us how the Bureau of Labor Statistics is lying with the new, improved numbers now?

The cost benefit of Obama care seems pretty straightforward...everyone contributes so that everyone can be covered.

But please explain it to me!

[Gummug]

Oh I see, the problem is that we are not socialist enough Europe is way ahead of us. Years ago that the UK lost global power and influence. Thanks to Obama the US is now catching up.

I was talking to someone the other day from the UK and they were wanting to leave it...they felt that things were too messed up there, if I remember correctly.

[Professor Buzzkill]

Phone lady?

Look the bottom line is that Obama is not a communist. Full stop. Heck it's debateable about how much of a socialist he is. This is just an old attack tactic of the GOP. I remember when Kerry was running it was claimed that he was the most radical left-winger in American politics. I think the same thing was said about Gore when he was running. And Orwellian nanny state? Really? Because what Obama is selling is less socialist than a lot of Western countries have and they're doing just fine. No Orwellian nanny state up here.

To be fair, i think he has proved this opinion correct over the last 10 years.

[supervike]

I'm not sure when 'liberal' became such a bad word. Wasn't it back when Dukakis ran when Conservatives used it as a dirty little secret.

Without 'liberal' thinking, we'd certainly not come as far as we have in this country. Not exactly why it is being compared to a 'cult', other than to be insulting. Couldn't we have a thread that compares the KKK to 'Conservatism'?

[ninjadude]

It's only bad in conservative land. The rest of us proudly proclaim to be card carrying liberals.

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”

- source JFK

[Merc14]

Liberalism is not a sect, else the founding fathers would have written it as obligatory in the constitution. The "conservatives" at the time wanted to remain British citizens.

Are you serious with this post or is it a joke?

[Merc14]

Liberalism as a religion is a great metaphor and is, in fact, one of the best ways to comprehend it. Liberals (by liberal I mean the new breed, the post 200 election wacko that deifies Obama) preach things that are not possible in the real world like a religion, they are zealously devoted like a religious fanatic, they attempt to silence any who oppose their views like a fanatical religion, they see their leaders as prophets like a religion and they demand their teachings be forced on students in public schools like a religious cult.

[Gromdor]

Many Scientologists are conservatives.

[Corp]

Oh I see, the problem is that we are not socialist enough Europe is way ahead of us. Years ago that the UK lost global power and influence. Thanks to Obama the US is now catching up.

*facepalm*

No the problem is many Americans don't seem to have any clue what socialism is. When they hear socialism this think of the Soviet Union. Instead they should be thinking about Norway. Is Norway scary to you?

And the US was in decline before Obama took office. And I hope you're not blaming socialist policies on Britain's decline because if you are you seriously need to open a history book.

Edited October 18, 2012 by Corp