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#751    cladking

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 03:57 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 12 August 2010 - 12:22 PM, said:

Doubt it on both counts. First there is a cave at the end of the tomb of the bird, about 30 feet long and at its widest 6 feet wide. That cave has been mapped since the 1830s and figures in all catalogs of the Giza plateau since 1936. Which really shows how much a certain Mr. Collins knew about the subject matter when he claimed to have "discovered" it. Or how much he wants to mislead his readers... which really would be low. In any case, that alone discredits him and his Swiss Cheese theory.

So here we have a third possibility; a little well known cave.  

This doesn't jive with Hawass' contention that there are no
caves at Giza either.  Surely it wouldn't be all that complicated
for someone to peek in and see if there's no cave at all, a little
cave, or the mother of all caves.  

How unlike rocket science can this get. There is great confusion
and one coherent noncontradictory statement can end it.  Without
this statement a reasonable man will tend to believe the last word
on the subject and that came from Andrew Collins.  

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In fact that is not the only cave there, many tombs ended in a cave or were started from a cave. Caves are a normal occurrence in limestone. But they are mostly very small and short, sometimes not even high enough to  crawl in them. Any significant shaft in the Giza limestone would be in constant danger of collapse due to the weight on it, especially if under any of the pyramids.

Caves can exist for millions of years underneath much larger
mountains than the pyramids.  

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Large caves constantly "cave in" causing tremors, especially the kind that is eroded by water or have to carry a high weight on them. Did you ever bother to check the seismic record of the Giza plateau? Thought so. There are more tremors due to mine shaft collapses in West Virginia then in Giza. Which is something to consider before running wild on a theory.

Did the guys who dreamed up ramps in the 1850's check the seismic
record?  They've been running wild with a theory for 150 years and
won't even check to see if there's a cave in the TotB.  

One of the largest sinkholes in the world is right there in the "Land
of Horus".  This wasn't the result of the collapse of a 30' cave.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:07 PM

View Postcladking, on 12 August 2010 - 03:57 PM, said:

So here we have a third possibility; a little well known cave.  

This doesn't jive with Hawass' contention that there are no
caves at Giza either.  Surely it wouldn't be all that complicated
for someone to peek in and see if there's no cave at all, a little
cave, or the mother of all caves.  


Could you please point me to where Hawass said that? I know for a fact that he has acknowledged several caves. One he proudly discovered himself.

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Caves can exist for millions of years underneath much larger
mountains than the pyramids.  


True, but even then there are cave ins. And those mountains are a pressure dispersing structure, meaning that all the pressure is leaded off on the sides while a pyramid is creating pressure at one point of a plateau. Slightly different static rules here.

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Did the guys who dreamed up ramps in the 1850's check the seismic
record?  They've been running wild with a theory for 150 years and
won't even check to see if there's a cave in the TotB.  

He did not need to, there is no danger for a ramp in an earthquake.... nor does a ramp generally affect the underlying structure to the point it causes a cave in. For that you need something as big a a pyramid or an artificial lake.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 03:32 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 12 August 2010 - 04:07 PM, said:

And those mountains are a pressure dispersing structure, meaning that all the pressure is leaded off on the sides while a pyramid is creating pressure at one point of a plateau. Slightly different static rules here.

I think not.

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He did not need to, there is no danger for a ramp in an earthquake.... nor does a ramp generally affect the underlying structure to the point it causes a cave in. For that you need something as big a a pyramid or an artificial lake.

Earthquakes don't prove ramps any more than doers the
existence of the pyramid.  As usual they are more consistent
with tectonic forces like geysers than with ramps. Obviously
they don't prove geysers either however.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 08:35 AM

View Postcladking, on 13 August 2010 - 03:32 AM, said:

Earthquakes don't prove ramps any more than doers the
existence of the pyramid.  As usual they are more consistent
with tectonic forces like geysers than with ramps. Obviously
they don't prove geysers either however.

I don't think a geyser is considered a tectonic force. Tectonic Forces are generated from within the earth and result in uplift, movement, or deformation of part of the earth’s crust.  A geyser might be the result or symptom of such tectonic force however.

Or did I misunderstand what you wanted to say here?

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 03:22 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 13 August 2010 - 08:35 AM, said:

I don't think a geyser is considered a tectonic force. Tectonic Forces are generated from within the earth and result in uplift, movement, or deformation of part of the earth’s crust.  A geyser might be the result or symptom of such tectonic force however.

Or did I misunderstand what you wanted to say here?

Close enough.

Ramps aren't associated or correlated with tectonic forces.  

Geysers are.

This is the same thing with all the evidence though.

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